If you decide to try the Nano's I'll be interested in your experience. I plan to buy at least one set of knobby tires and they are high on my list. Surly markets the Ogre and the Troll as touring bikes but they are literally just a Karate Monkey (29'er MTB) and a 1 x 1 (26" MTB) with all the braze-ons you need for touring plus they have mounts for canti-studs, which is huge for me. I would love to spend some time riding 55mm BA's on a 700c bike, particularly something like the Hunqapillar or Velo-Orange's upcoming Camargue. I might find it's more the tires than the wheel size. So many ideas to try.....so little money to spend trying them.
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:03:44 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: > Chris, > > Yeah it's a pain I have to live with. I'll survive. > > List member Mike Shiller posted a WTB release note about the Nano heck it > may have been on this same topic? It gets all jumbled together :-) But the > Nano looks interesting and a tire of serious contention, it's relativity > light weight, has good knobby tread and is supposed to roll pretty fast on > pavement. There are so many choices in the 26" field. > > I think that's interesting that you really do prefer the 26" even after > riding the 700c. One of the things I liked about the 700c when I had a > race/road bike was just how much distance I could cover quickly. Once you > get those wheels up to speed they're really efficient. But that's usually a > bike with only one purpose. These days I like to go where I want to go and > that means dirt too and carrying bags. > > In terms of the Troll and Ogre, I don't really know enough about them to > really speak cogently but the fat tire bikes are tempting as it would open > up previously un-ride able areas to me. But then I've committed myself to > the Rivendell's. I'd have to sell one of them to buy another bicycle, so > I'd say I'm a long way off from pulling the trigger on one of those. Funny > how we are influenced by those outside opinions, sometimes with little to > no firm merit. > > The ride the divide is awesome. I think the Atlantis could be used for > that ride running 2.1 or larger tires. But I'd do it on a more leisurely > pace not to compete. > > I'm hoping to document the build up of the Atlantis and give feedback on > the differences between the AAH and the Atlantis. It should be a fun > process. > > ~Hugh > > “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep > moving.” ― Albert Einstein > > http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ > > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Chris Lampe 2 > <clamp...@yahoo.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> I feel your pain. >> >> My existance right now consists of obsessing about whether to buy a Troll >> frameset or simply transfer my new components over to the old 820. >> Sometimes I even throw getting an Ogre frameset into the mix, which would >> let me use my Rich Lesnik built 700c wheels. It's usually some outside >> influence that leads me to consider the Ogre, something like reading >> someone's experiences or rewatching "Ride the Divide". It usually just >> takes one comparison ride between my 700c and 26" bike to swing me back to >> 26" wheels. >> >> I've read that the WBT Nano is the number one choice for Great Divide >> riders. It appears to be a not-too-aggressive multi-surface tire of high >> quality. It might be worth some research if you haven't looked into it >> yet. >> >> I'll be curious to hear your experiences with your Atlantis. That bike >> is basically the prototype for what I want, although sometimes I find >> myself wanting an actual MTB, like the Troll. >> >> >> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:34:04 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> Interesting, the 26" Atlantis I'm building up as a off road beasty for >>> rough stuff bike camping...I'm still debating what knobby tires I'll run? I >>> currently have some Big Ben's for it but not sure they're the road tires >>> I'll want. Lots of folks swear by the Schwalbe supreme's. >>> >>> Anyway, one of my concerns lately with all the talk of 650b & 29ers is >>> riding for distance...it seems so many folks are super concerned with >>> efficiency, read that as speed. So yeah it has been messing with my head. >>> Just need to build it and ride it, then I'll have some feedback. >>> >>> -Hugh >>> On Feb 26, 2014 4:11 PM, "Chris Lampe 2" <clamp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Keep in mind that I'm not a mountain biker and other than riding gravel >>>> roads way back when, all my riding is on pavement. >>>> >>>> I can't say how much is the fat tires themselves. The difference >>>> between my 40mm and my 55mm tires is far larger than the numbers would >>>> suggest. I think it's that old volume thing....with the 55mm tires having >>>> a lot more. The closest I've come to riding a 700c fatter tire was a >>>> short >>>> test ride on a Surly Karate Monkey and it lacked something that both my >>>> old >>>> 820 and the new Troll I test rode have. >>>> >>>> I tend to ride like a little kid, meaning I don't ride from point A to >>>> point B. My favorite place to ride (when it's not packed with >>>> pedestrians) >>>> is the walking path in our subdivision. This is a typical sidewalk on >>>> gently rolling terrain and I don't think there is a true straight stretch >>>> of sidewalk that is longer than a few yards. Tons of curves with some >>>> twists and turns while speeding up and slowing down, according to the >>>> path. >>>> My experience is that the 26" wheels accelerate faster and are far more >>>> maneuverable than 700c wheels. The entry I use to the walkway is a gutter >>>> that is at a 90 degree angle to the sidewalk with curb on either side so >>>> there is no room for error when making that turn. It's a bit scary on >>>> 700c >>>> x 40mm tires but a breeze on 559 x 55mm tires. I think it boils down to a >>>> ride that is very nimble and quick while still being very smooth and >>>> cushy. >>>> >>>> I've read numerous accounts that suggest 700c wheels rollover things >>>> better than 26" wheels and that 700c wheels maintain their momentum better >>>> and the latter, at least, seems to be true in my experience (I never roll >>>> over things so no experience with the first). Riding my 700c bike is fun >>>> but almost bordering on boring. Riding a 26" bike is both exhilarating >>>> and >>>> it literally makes me feel like a little kid again. For me, a long ride >>>> is >>>> 10 miles so the 26" wheels are a no-brainer. If I was more into traveling >>>> and riding longer distances, I'd have to do some soul-searching before >>>> making a firm commitment to one or the other. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:34:41 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> >>>>> I too have been lusting after fat tire Atlantis...I don't see that >>>>> many. Here's one I like a lot. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/pool >>>>> -rivendellatlantis/ >>>>> >>>>> and another >>>>> >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman483/8541167230/in/pool-r >>>>> ivendellatlantis >>>>> >>>>> But I am curious Chris what is it about the 26" wheel size that has >>>>> you so smitten. It's especially interesting when there is so much talk of >>>>> 29ers and 650b tires. Please elucidate. >>>>> >>>>> ~Hugh >>>>> >>>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep >>>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein >>>>> >>>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Chris Lampe 2 <clamp...@yahoo.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For the longest time, a photo of an Atlantis on Peter White's website >>>>>> that is described as being outfitted with his best parts was my favorite >>>>>> Atlantis photo. Now it's this one. I've become hooked on the 26" >>>>>> wheel/fat-tire combo. Nothing else looks or feels as good to me now and >>>>>> the Atlantis, with it's traditional diamond frame, just looks TOUGH with >>>>>> fat knobbies. I haven't had the pleasure of riding one yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:11:56 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet another snow day in the DC area... I think the schools will be >>>>>>> in session till July 4th at this rate! Supposedly we're in for our >>>>>>> biggest >>>>>>> snowfall since 2011 but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't have >>>>>>> true >>>>>>> snow tires, but I did pick up some sweet used 29x2.1 Kenda Small Block >>>>>>> Eight tires at the co-op recently and had been hoping to try them out >>>>>>> on my >>>>>>> Atlantis. 700Cx54mm tires! I need to measure the actuals on my 23mm >>>>>>> Dyad >>>>>>> rims but they fit just fine once the fenders came off. I also finally >>>>>>> got >>>>>>> around to moutning my front Nitto rack/basket/light setup. Peter White >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> rest assured that I've maintained the centerline, above tire location >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the light but he'll be upset that I don't have fender coverage for the >>>>>>> beastie... I'll keep an eye on it and possibly add some kind of splash >>>>>>> protection. It's a sweet light, and I can see based on the light >>>>>>> pattern >>>>>>> why keeping it center and over tire is desireable. Stand over w/ the >>>>>>> monster tires is not improved for me... predictably, but it is fun. >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> going to take it for a spin this morning before the snow comes in then >>>>>>> we'll see about later! 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