I think Tom is in Philadelphia. I (Ted) am out on the west coast. Actually not far from where White Industries is located, and even closer to RBW. Sounds like you are going to have a real White Industries theme going there. Should be really great. Though personally I would avoid the proprietary non standard rings and fixed cogs, I understand many people aren't concerned by that sort of thing. While you are at it their urban pedals are very cool too, and if you are going to experiment with a fixed cog, well some folks think clips and straps are a good idea for that. If you do loose the pedals on a fixed gear that egg beater down there could be hard on your ankles. I think you mentioned having a 48 Sam, (which I believe would also have 650b wheels) so you can get a good idea what gear you want by noticing what you use on your Sam for rolling along in gentle terrain. Like if you have a 48-18 combination available on your Sam, that would be fairly close to what the 42-16 option gives you (~68 and ~67 respectively). It is a lucky man you are to have such a fun project to while away the remains of winter with.
On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:54:50 PM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: > > ted - > Another stunner and you are not too far from me in location - I am in > central NJ about 45 minutes north of Philadelphia. I wondered about the > longevity of those hubs and its good to hear they can go the distance. > > Tom - > Choices are endless and I can see why GP speaks of that as an issue. I > have a bike with 165 and one with 170 but they serve different purposes and > have a different feel. I do recall seeing a set of 167.5 and would also > consider that - it just seems like I keep splitting the differences. > Chainrings are a perfect example....46t is common, the QB came with Sugino > 40t / 26t and an 18 tooth cog resulting in a relatively low 39" and 60". > So I honed in on White Industries' 44t or 42t with a DOS ENO 16/18 or > 17/19 to get mid 60"s to 70"...at the moment. > > > > > On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:34:39 AM UTC-5, ted wrote: >> >> I expect the white hubs are very nice. You will want to be sure you get >> the flip/flop fixed/free version if you are going to use a fw (the link you >> gave is for that kind). I expect you noticed that they don't take normal >> fixed cogs like the ones from Soma, EAI, or Surly (including surly's >> Dingle), but that is something to think about. Paul also makes high flange >> track hubs that look nice, though I think their chain line is slightly non >> standard (not that that maters a lot). If you are having your wheels built >> the builder may have good advice on hubs to use. >> >> Over the years spacing and terminology have changed a bit. Two or three >> decades back a track bike was a fixed gear with no brakes that you rode on >> a velodrome, and a fixed gear was either a track bike with a front brake >> mounted (by drilling the fork crown), or a road bike with a track hub rear >> wheel fitted to it. The old school racing schtick included riding fixed >> gear in the winter. Back then I think most bikes had 120 rear spacing. Then >> came 126 for road bikes, then 130 and 135. Track bikes stayed 120 and I >> think most fixed gear hubs are still 120. If people are starting to >> differentiate "track hubs" from "fixed hubs" based on 120 vs 130 OLD they >> are probably thinking "fixed gear" means adapted road bike (130 being the >> typical non touring road bike spacing now). My view is that a fixed gear >> hub is one that has left handed lock ring threads on it for proper mounting >> of fixed cogs, that track hubs are fixed gear hubs, and that with all hubs >> you need to pay attention to OLD and your frames spacing. What with single >> sided, flip flop fixed-fixed, flip flop fixed-free, proprietary fixed cog >> mounts, and who knows what all OLDs, its a mine field out there. >> >> On the crank front, at the risk of suggesting too many choices I will >> mention that there are 167.5 track cranks in the world. Back in the day >> folks would tell you short cranks are better if you are more of a spinner >> and long cranks were good if you were a masher. I have a 170 track set that >> I have had for decades on my Simple One now, and that has always seemed >> fine. When I bought a bike that came with 165s on it that worked great. I >> had 172.5 on my "race bike" but eventually went back to 170 and I think I >> prefer it that way. If I had built my SO up from from scratch with no stuff >> on hand I probably would have gone with 165 or 167.5. I think you won't >> know what you like until you try some variations. >> >> On Friday, March 7, 2014 4:26:01 AM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: >>> >>> Good call on checking the BB ted and I may go to 170 on the crank for >>> the smidge of leverage gain. >>> >>> I also found this slick new White Industries Track Hubset which would >>> mate well with the DOS ENO: >>> https://www.benscycle.com/p-1524-white-industries-track-hubset-fixfree-32h-120mm.aspx<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.benscycle.com%2Fp-1524-white-industries-track-hubset-fixfree-32h-120mm.aspx&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGthDg6vCqdmZcPcTpFwjdadpBdfQ> >>> ? >>> >>> From what I can tell, it seems that Fixed Gear hubs are differentiated >>> from Track hubs based on rear spacing of 130 vs 120 (the QB span) >>> respectively. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 7, 2014 12:33:13 AM UTC-5, ted wrote: >>>> >>>> All sounds very nice. >>>> Shorter cranks are traditional track gear. Where 175 may be normal for >>>> mtn bikes and 170 normal for road bikes, 165 is sort of normal for a track >>>> bike. >>>> With a single ring and normal single speed chain line you shouldn't >>>> have any trouble with clearance between the ring and frame. If you are >>>> using standard geared bike ring and chain, chain line is not really all >>>> that critical. If you do want to get chain line just so, the phil bb and >>>> its two ended adjustment is real handy. Mounting your chosen crank on the >>>> bb that came in your frame will let you decide what length bb you want to >>>> use. Just measure the line you get with the one thats already there, and >>>> adjust accordingly before ordering a new one. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 7:20:38 PM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am blocked at work from checking the RBW postings and tonight I >>>>> found I couldn't wait to get home to check - thanks Patrick (dig the >>>>> shirt >>>>> much), ted, Pudge, David and Minh for your perspectives. >>>>> >>>>> And with that, the order by which to choose components and >>>>> considerations seems: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Crankset - single ring makes sense; modest number of teeth, between >>>>> 40 and 46; I like the Sugino RD and it comes in 165mm arm (I am a short >>>>> legged being), with choice of 46t or 48t. Many of you have a lower # of >>>>> teeth but I need to start somewhere. Not sure of the RD's chainline >>>>> (i've >>>>> seen conflicting 44 or 42) but as close to the rear hub / cog chainline >>>>> as >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Bottom bracket - my QB came with a 113mm but each crankset has its >>>>> own recommended BB mm. The Sugino RD, with 130 BCD, is coupled with a >>>>> 103mm BB. If I go with Sugino's recommended 103mm, which is lower than >>>>> Riv's 110mm general recommendation, must I worry about ring clearance >>>>> against the frame? >>>>> >>>>> 3) Hubs - Not sure which brand to go with. I saw these on Ben's: >>>>> https://www.benscycle.com/p-3458-milwaukee-bicycle-co-hubset-32h-fixfree.aspx >>>>> They achieve a 42mm chainline and have a classic look without breaking >>>>> the bank, but i am not wedded to these. >>>>> >>>>> 4) Rims Velocity Synergy 650b with DT double butted spokes. >>>>> >>>>> 5) Cog - with a 46t ring, a 17t cog achieves 70". Again - a good >>>>> place to start. I live in an area that is pretty flat with a few rolling >>>>> hills but nothing too steep. I really like the WI DOS ENO 2-Speed 17/19 >>>>> from a quality and versatility perspective. >>>>> >>>>> The fact that, for a lot of you, the QB is your favorite among many >>>>> other great Rivendells (I have a Custom, Atlantis and Sam) is exciting - >>>>> each of mine serves a different purpose and I never get tired of them. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you again for your help! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:09:06 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a WI 17/19 on mine, and really like that option. Gives just >>>>>> enough difference at times. But I rarely go to the 32T front chainring. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J < >>>>>> thomas.a...@skadden.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Minh that when you’re on a SS, it changes your >>>>>>> perspective. I just don’t mind walking if the need arises – just >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> pleasant way to get where I’m going. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Minh >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 4:50 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Mini-Beam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My QB came with the 40x26, ended up moving it to my SH as i never >>>>>>> bothered shifting to the 26. I now use a single 42, it may depend on >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> terrain, but i can handle hills fine, and those i can't i just get off >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> walk, it's not that big a deal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i have a WI Dos FW 17/19, and even that i rarely switch. a >>>>>>> single-speed changes your perspective, it's hard to understand coming >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> a multi-gear bike. i strongly suggest you get the bike rideable as >>>>>>> soon as >>>>>>> possible and see what works for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i ride 42/17, i'm not the strongest rider but it works for me! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also concur with Tom, QB is my favorite bike in the bunch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:14:40 PM UTC-5, djbardwil wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The more I hear about the fixed gear bicycle experience, the more it >>>>>>> seems that putting on a 2 speed kickback hub is missing the point. It >>>>>>> seems that dialing in on the gearing is half the fun - it's a bike for >>>>>>> tinkerers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My QB originally had the Sugino XD Double; does the double chainring >>>>>>> typically get used in both rings or do most just keep it on the larger >>>>>>> 40 >>>>>>> ring with the 26 ring for the rare occasion? I'm wondering if a single >>>>>>> crank like the Sugino RD with either a 46 or 48 ring is best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:48:51 PM UTC-5, Esteban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, yea. I have a QB too. Had one years ago, too big. This one, just >>>>>>> right. 40x16 free 15 fixed. 68" gets me up almost any hill in town >>>>>>> (with >>>>>>> some zig zag), and I try to spin out on flats for "exercise." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its a fantastic bike. You'll love it. Everyone should have one :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>>> >>>>>>> San Diego, Calif. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:04:36 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a Quickbeam. I'm obsessed with gearing, and always come back >>>>>>> to about a 72". Currently I'm re-enamored of fixed gear riding, with a >>>>>>> single 44t ring, a 15t cog and a 17/21 dingle cog. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do have a Sachs Automatic wheel with a coaster brake, and I agree >>>>>>> that the coaster brake messes up my mojo. I have considered the S2 (no >>>>>>> C) >>>>>>> hub, and will probably build one at some point. The Quickbeam is great >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> I'd ride mine anywhere, in any terrain, on any surface. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Philip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.biketinker.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:42:58 AM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pudge - If I go with the SA 2 speed, it would be without coaster >>>>>>> brake. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Minh - You are right on the argument. Simple and pure is what I >>>>>>> want with this build as well as a new perspective on riding. A >>>>>>> broadening >>>>>>> of horizons.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:37:38 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a thought, when i got my QB, i also was (unnecessarily) worried >>>>>>> about gearing, additional speeds and now that i've had it i never both >>>>>>> switching in the rear (WI DUO) and switched to a single-ring front. if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have the wheels already to get it on the road, you might be surprised >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> how fast you adjust to a single gear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nothing wrong if you really want to mess with the SA 2 speeds, but >>>>>>> there is something pure about a single-speed QB that changes your >>>>>>> perspective on riding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:54:23 PM UTC-5, djbardwil wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I am thrilled to be the very lucky winner of the auction and >>>>>>> admit my addiction to Rivendell. I was a bit surprised that only one >>>>>>> bid >>>>>>> came through but it is a small frame and the dead of winter so the >>>>>>> audience >>>>>>> may have been limited. Apparently, there are only 30 of these 50 cm >>>>>>> QBs. >>>>>>> It should be a great project and I intend to take it slowly and >>>>>>> thoughtfully as I've never built up a non-derailleur bicycle. Initial >>>>>>> thought was to possibly try out the Sturmey-Archer 2-speed Kickback hub >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> the basis of a wheel build and possibly a Sturmey-Archer crankset but >>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>> need to do some homework on gearing, spacing, chainline etc. Nothing >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> set in stone at the moment and each component will be a new decision >>>>>>> point >>>>>>> but, barring the possible S-A components, it will clearly be a >>>>>>> Rivendell >>>>>>> build when it's done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I enjoy this group very much and value your input, stories, and >>>>>>> camaraderie. 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