> Tracey says she asked you to leave. You say she didn't exactly say
> this....?? SOMEONE lying here.
Why do you say this? *I* said she asked me to leave. No one is
lying. Asking puts it in my court. But she didn't DO this. She
SAID this, but DID something completely different. She forced me
out. She asked, but then forced. Big difference.
Why do you assume Tracey would lie?
On 26 Apr 2001, at 4:16, Martin Irwin wrote:
> I'm sorry Kevin,
> I believe your way out of line here. I believe God has asked me to
> intervene here.
>
>
> Its simple buddy. We're a fellowship of believers on the list. God
> doesn't jump the fence to come into our fold like you do and come in
> without relationship and without report.... . We all know the his
> voice- you have no special insight.
>
> Either you live in a fantasy land or I do. Or Tracey.... I know Tracey
> more than I know you so I have to error on her side for the moment.
>
> You need to decide how long you want to go with this... ANd whether
> God wants you to do this...
>
> martin
>
> >>> "Kevin L. Kitchens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/26/01 01:36pm >>>
> Martin --
>
> In all fairness, she did not ask me not to subscribe. She may have
> posted something to the list at a time when I was not on the list. She
> asked me to leave the list, but then she forced me off. She also
> publicly maligned me before kicking me off so that rejoining was the
> only method to clear the air.
>
> Regardless, the HCC list is a fellowship of professed believers and I
> am a believer. As believers, we are commanded to expose false
> teachers. Period. As Tracey was recommending to fellow believers the
> writings of apostates and false teachers, I was within my rights and
> obligations to issue the very simple, loving warning that I did. My
> warning did not bring divisiveness to the Body. My warning did bring
> diviseness to those who stand against the Body and against Christ.
>
> Tracey is not set above God that she should obstruct truth being
> brought in love to fellow Christians. Praise God that Shadrach,
> Meshach, and Abed-Nego, or Daniel did not follow the "boundaries" set
> before them by wicked men to prevent them from obeying God.
>
> Nevertheless, this discussion is not producing good fruit. You need to
> decide if it is really Christ you want to follow and if so, then not
> stand in the way when someone is carrying out His commands. My
> statements about Rick Joyner and Watchman Nee attacked NO ONE in the
> HCC forum, only these apostate teachers.
>
> A reading of 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, and Jude will give you some
> keen insight into our obligations as believers. I read the first three
> this evening and Titus a few nights ago. Interestingly enough, it
> seems that quite a few precepts that "Homechurch" is built upon are
> false. Every believer is NOT an elder, bishop, or deacon -- these are
> clearly defined roles in servant leadership over a congregation. Of
> course, there is nothing that says a congregation cannot meet in small
> numbers in a house/home setting -- that would be beneficial in some
> ways as most churches ARE getting too big for their own good -- but
> clearly, there IS an God ordained hierarchy for at least
> administrative and corrective measures within the Body.
>
> Of course, you will also read how people like yourself and Tracey turn
> away from the truth to satisfy your own itching ears as well. Such has
> been evidenced in this discussion. I thank God for your attacks upon
> my person. They reveal the true nature of your own selves.
>
> May God truly bless you and your families. May His Grace restore you
> to Him. I will continue to pray for you and the entire group.
>
> In His Service,
> Kevin L. Kitchens
>
>
> On 25 Apr 2001, at 20:49, Martin Irwin wrote:
>
> > Your a lier.
> >
> > She asked you not to subscibe and you didn't honour that!
> >
> > >>> "Kevin L. Kitchens" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 04/25/01 09:54am >>>
> > Actually, I did honor her boundaries. She said to limit it to false
> > teachers who were HC, which I did.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> >
> > On 24 Apr 2001, at 16:47, Martin Irwin wrote:
> >
> > > He has and continues to do this.
> > >
> > > May God give you the wisdom, love and gentlnes to respect peoples
> > > boundarys.
> > >
> > > God doesn't intervene in our lives with His ultimate truth if we
> > > don't want him to. He lets us go to Hell. I know Tracey is not
> > > going to Hell but she deserves at least that you honour her
> > > boundarys!!!!
> > >
> > > Mofstream
> > >
> > > >>> "Kevin L. Kitchens" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 04/25/01 01:46am >>>
> > > >>>
> > > May God grant you true peace and true love and true wisdom.
> > >
> > > In His Service,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > On 24 Apr 2001, at 2:34, Martin Irwin wrote:
> > >
> > > Date sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:34:30 -0600
> > > From: "Martin Irwin" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > > To: < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > > Subject: Re: More on (Moron) False Teachers The edited version
> > > of*Martins post.
> > >
> > > > Kevin,
> > > > You are violating Traceys very clear boundary setting. I had no
> > > > idea you were violating Traceys boundarys. I'd forgotten what
> > > > she'd said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin, this is not a characteristic of a Christ follower.
> > > >
> > > > A true teacher does not need to resort to such underhanded
> > > > techniques. A true leader doesn't jump the gate/fence to come
> > > > into the fold.
> > > >
> > > > I was wrong about this Tracey. You did right to get rid of him (
> > > > as much as you can without this idiot jumping the fence.).
> > > > SOrry...
> > > >
> > > > You do not talk truth.. merely lies lies lies. Remove youself
> > > > and go violate traceys boundarys no further!!! Martin
> > > >
> > > > >>> "Kevin L. Kitchens" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 04/24/01 09:34 AM
> > > > >>> >>>
> > > > Marty, Marty, Marty.
> > > >
> > > > I stated a truth. That does not cause division. People can
> > > > choose to ignore the truth and run to the darkness, or they can
> > > > embrace it.
> > > >
> > > > Regardless, all that has been asked is that you be cautious when
> > > > reading this patently (that means clearly) false teacher. Just
> > > > be cautious. Pray to the Lord to give you wisdom. Test what Nee
> > > > says and test what I say. Test EVERYTHING.
> > > >
> > > > A red flag has been raised. If you told me that you had concerns
> > > > about someone I was reading, I would approach with caution too.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > On 23 Apr 2001, at 15:32, Martin Irwin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Kevin,
> > > > > The fruit of your presence here has caused division.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, using your logic then these 'false teachers' are not
> > > > > the cause of division but the group who has division in them
> > > > > is. There own ( now what did you say) "Division comes on its
> > > > > own as a result of human pride, ignorance, or apathy to the
> > > > > truth. " Then we need not worry about these false teachers
> > > > > because they cannot possibly be divisive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nah, this is a little too much like circular logic here. I
> > > > > cannot see past the fact that this HCC list has taken a little
> > > > > different tone to it since you have come with your divisive
> > > > > teaching.
> > > > >
> > > > > I continue to read and am blessed by Watchman Nee. It seems I
> > > > > may be blessed by the other writers too seeing how you have
> > > > > the same regard for them......
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin of the stream.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/24/01 12:12am >>>
> > > > > Martin --
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your comments, however incorrect.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fruit of my efforts here has only been to lovingly share
> > > > > the truth. Period. Division comes on its own as a result of
> > > > > human pride, ignorance, or apathy to the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would have avoided this group like the plague, except I
> > > > > remembered that as this is a gathering of people claiming
> > > > > Christ and that many here never post and only read, that I
> > > > > should at least once, point out the errors of the teachers
> > > > > being recommended as leaders in the HC movement.
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate your willingness not to comment on Rick Joyner,
> > > > > since you've not read him. I also understand that your
> > > > > experience with the teachings of Watchman Nee has protected
> > > > > you from the patent error of his books. Since you are open to
> > > > > research this man's writings a little further, there is no
> > > > > doubt in the light of Scripture that you will find these works
> > > > > and instructions to be unworthy of further consideration.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin (Kitchens)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Martin Irwin < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > > > Kevin,
> > > > > > Thank-you for you opinion on these matters. I have only read
> > > > > > Watchman Nee on this list and hence should only comment on
> > > > > > him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ON watchman Lee I disagree with you. He has NOT brought
> > > > > > these things to the fellowship of Christians I have when we
> > > > > > have read his work. You claim he brought these things. "
> > > > > > However, the methods promoted by these teachers is
> > > > > > dangerous, divisive, and destructive to the Body of Christ.
> > > > > > "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will defend to my death you right to express your
> > >
>
>
> Kevin L. Kitchens, PEI Development, Snellville, Georgia
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