Opps. Thought I saw 40 on the web site. Sorry about that. Mike
________________________________ From: Steve Tyng <steve...@gmail.com> To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com Cc: Mike Mangus <mikem5...@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Another Rule Change Proposal The Panzer II Ausf. J being deployed by TriPact had a thin strip of 80mm armor on the front which gets it the 4 point defensive rating. It had a puny 20mm gun which gives it a 30 round magazine capacity. It was basically a mobile anti-personel pillbox. In comparision, the Soviet T-70 had 60mm angled front armor which measured in the horizontal plane was 95mm and that armor covered more frontal area than the PII's 80mm armor strip. In addition, the T-70 had a 45mm gun and a top speed of 28mph (PII was 19mph). In every catagory the T-70 was a better tank than the PII but because of this quirk of the rules it gets one less hit point. Now I'd be willing to drop this whole discussion if the PII was dropped to three points. I think it's silly this thing gets the same defensive rating as heavy thanks of the same time period. Steve > No doubt that Panzer II takes advantage of the rules to maximize defensive rating and 40 rounds in the smallest size package possible. There probably isn't another tank out there that can modeled to match it. If it becomes the "killer" tank in the game then people will start building more of them just to keep up, thus making RC Tank Combat like NASCAR with a "Tank of Tomorrow". > > Mike > > >From: "pil...@comcast.net" <pi...@comcast.net> >To: rctank...@googlegroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:43 PM >Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Another Rule Change Proposal > > >so... if i were to go with a modern designed tank, with its sloped armor(who >cares) etc for example the M1 abrams, everwhere im looking says is had armor >equivalenct to RHSA (ww2 type armor) of a minimum of 510mm(much much higher in >places like the turret) no where have I found direct mention of actual >thickness... how would that be handled? would you go with 510 as the >thickness? > >From: "Mike Mangus" <mik...@yahoo.com> >To: rctank...@googlegroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:21:34 PM >Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Another Rule Change Proposal > > > What tanks would a sloped armor rule effect? > >Mike > > >From: Steve Tyng <st...@gmail.com> >To: rctank...@googlegroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:13 PM >Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Another Rule Change Proposal > > >So exactly how does the horizontal measurement rule not benefit the hobby? >It's sole purpose is to bring parity between the slab and sloped designs. >Yes, I'm interested in building the T-70 light to counter that abomination of >a Panzer II but it would also benefit all sloped designs. Sloped armor was >THE INNOVATION in tank design that everybody but the Germans and Brits adopted >until they copied the T34. The rules, as written, TOTALLY ignore the >defensive benefits of sloped armor and this should be rectified IMO. An armor >plates angle to incoming fire is as much a part of its defensive capability as >its thickness. A mechanism needs to be in place to quantify both factors of a >designs protection and a horizontal rule is as good as any. > >I really don't understand the resistance to the proposal? > >Steve "Where's that Bat" Tyng ;-) > > >-- >You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. >To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups. com >Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat > > >-- >You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. >To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups. com >Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/ group/rctankcombat >-- >You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. >To post a message, send email to rctank...@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat...@googlegroups. com >Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/ group/rctankcombat > > > -- You are currently subscribed to the "R/C Tank Combat" group. To post a message, send email to rctankcombat@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to rctankcombat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Visit the group at http://groups.google.com/group/rctankcombat
