I don't have FRBRoo in front of me right now, but i remember that it had some 
sort of category for what i would dub a "thought work", that is, the point at 
which a work is conceived but not yet manifested in any real world way.  THough 
i think as a theoretical entity it belongs in the scheme, i have a hard time 
imagining its practical value, at least in bibliographical terms.

greta de groat
Stanford University Libraries

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From: "Weinheimer Jim" <[email protected]>
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Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:20:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] FRBR, RDA ... and transcendental idealism

Irvin Flack wrote:

> I was thinking about this in relation to Mozart the other day. Assume,
> according to the legend, he worked out his musical compositions in his
> head completely before writing them down. For cataloguing purposes the
> work doesn't exist until it's in a form that can be perceived by someone
> else, even if he had the rest of the Requiem 'written' in his head. (Cf
> the old 'sound of falling tree in a forest' riddle.)

A excellent point. In RDF terms, there must be a some kind of shared agreement 
and understanding for the concept URI to exist in the first place. This is more 
difficult than you might think and I can offer an example.

I remember at one organization I worked at when we had people from China to 
work on a multi-lingual thesaurus and the difficulties they encountered. One 
was the term "obesity," a concept that does not exist in Chinese, and 
apparently is culturally-based. On the other hand, it turns out that the 
concept of "obesity" is politically charged in some countries and can cause a 
lot of anger.

I am sure others would have their own examples as well.

Jim Weinheimer

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