So your argument is that every single possible field must be created to be the briefest informative record possible? Really?

Regardless, that's an argument to take up with bibco/PCC I guess.

Apparently they decided that not every single possible field was neccesary for a BIBCO Standard Record, and that the fields you are missing were not neccesary. You could take it up with them to argue that either every single possible field should be mandated filled out for a BIBCO Standard Record, or even if not every single field, then some of the fields they have not mandated for BIBCO Standard Record ought to have been mandated. (That would presumably require more of a supporting argument for why those fields in particular ought to be mandated then "not to include any possible field is a disservice to our patrons." Although I guess that would be the former argument, that a BIBCO Standard Record ought to mandate that every possibly applicable MARC field be filled out if applicable. They clearly chose another path. )

On 4/25/2011 6:37 PM, Gene Fieg wrote:
Thanks for the documents on bibco records.
Not to include certain fields, whether variable or fixed, does a disservice to the patron who might be looking for specific types of information in those books. Our goal should not only create the briefest record possible, but the briefest informative record possible. Not including bibl. references does not fulfill that criterion.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Adam L. Schiff <asch...@u.washington.edu <mailto:asch...@u.washington.edu>> wrote:

    This record is coded as a BIBCO record.

    The BIBCO Standard Record does not require the bibliographical
    references and indexes note(s) nor most fixed fields to be filled
    in.  The particular fields that Mr. Fieg criticizes as lacking are
    not required for PCC records.

    Please see the BIBCO Standard Record documentation at
    http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/bibco/BSR-MAPS.html  The textual
    monographs metadata application profile is at
    http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/bibco/BSR_TM_3Sept-2010.pdf

    Mr. Fieg's criticism of this record has nothing whatsoever to do
    with deficiencies of RDA or even with cataloger error, since this
    record fulfills the BIBCO Standard Record floor requirements.  One
    may argue the merits and defaults of the specific requirements of
    the standard, but those arguments were already held within the
    PCC, and that is really for a completely different list than this
    one.  Suffice it to say that the fields missing or uncoded that
    Mr. Fieg complains about were not deemed essential elements needed
    to support user tasks to find, identify, select, and obtain.  See
    the Final Report of the Task Group on BIBCO Standard Record
    Requirements at
    http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/bibco/BSR-Final-Report.pdf

    Adam Schiff

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    On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Gene Fieg wrote:

        OCLC record: *690085810: Fixed field for index should be
        marked as "1".
        It also should have 504 stating that it contains
        bibliographical references and index.

        I guess we are too busy adding fields 336-338 and forgetting
        what may be truly useful to the patron.

        --
        Gene Fieg
        Cataloger/Serials Librarian
        Claremont School of Theology
        gf...@cst.edu <mailto:gf...@cst.edu>




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Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School of Theology
gf...@cst.edu <mailto:gf...@cst.edu>

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