Quoting "Danskin, Alan" <alan.dans...@bl.uk>:

It is not clear what
benefit you perceive is derived from the addition of information about
the larger jurisdiction.

The benefit is to inform the catalogue user where the document was issued.

There are many, many places which may appear in this element of a resource description, but which share a name with other places far distant. One of the FRBR things that seldom reaches our consciousness is "context" -- the set of conditions in which a work or an expression was created, or a manifestation published.

Context also applies when a user searches the catalogue. In my own environment (Australia), "Melbourne" as unqualified place is inevitably taken to denote the capital of the state of Victoria. In a document description, it might well be the homonymous place in Florida, or in England in Humberside or in Derbyshire -- no doubt there are others as well.

Elaine Svenonius, in expounding the principle of representation ("to reflect the way bibliographic entities represent themselves")* states the need for truth in transcription to support accuracy; she also says, "A description is inaccurate if it in any way misrepresents an entity, making it seem what it is not."

No description can be called accurate if the omission of information misleads a proportion of the users of the catalogue where it appears. A great many users outside Ontario who read "London" will inevitably suppose it to denote the capital of England -- the bibliographical universe is indeed universal.

No single principle can be carried to the utmost in implementation without producing an absurd result: there always have to be checks and balances. One strand of check and balance is the normal expectations of the user of the catalogue -- a factor modified by environment, but one of which we can make an easy guess in the case of "London". London, England, is not the same place as London, Ontario (nor London, Kentucky; London, Kiribati; nor a number of other places).

Accurate knowledge of the place of publication is often one of the criteria for selecting the resource which best meets the user's requirements; the more so as selection is generally made initially from a brief record display, not the full set of data.

To deprive the user of the necessary identifying information presented in conjunction with the primary place name is doing the user a disservice -- and the highest principle, as Svenonius (p. 68-70, following Ranganathan and others) reminds us, is the principle of user convenience: "Decisions taken in the making of descriptions should be made with the user in mind." (p. 68)

How does refusal to specify the jurisdiction which contains the place named as the place of publication, and necessary to enable the user to identify it properly, do anything but offer an obstacle to the catalogue user? Is the principle of representation really so absolutely inviolable that interpolation (clearly marked as such by square brackets) of necessary information into a descriptive element that is not complete, and which is a minor element in forming a citatioin for a document, really transgresses it?

I rate the principle of user convenience higher, and judge that bracketed information, if useful, should be supplied.

*_The Intellectual Foundation of Information Organization_. Cambridge, Mass. : MIT Press, 2000. (p. 71)

Hal Cain
Melbourne, Australia
hec...@dml.vic.edu.au

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