Thank you Gary, very much, for your efforts. Your reply at least convinces me
that in so far as NAME AUTHORITY
RECORDS are concerned $b is before $e in 100 percent of the cases. However, my
confusion specifically has to do with
BIBLIOGRAPHIC RECORDS for books.
I lack an expertise to look at or extract from large files, such as all 2012
RDA records. In OCLC Connexion, with
the command line search key of:
dx:rda/dlc/2013 however I get 987 book records and 18 textual serial ones.
Of the 987 book records of 2013 imprint, as I indicated, the overwhelming
majority have $e before $b.
Which still puzzles me, since they are DLC of rather recent dates of input and
modification.
Regards,
Jack
Jack Wu
Technical Services
Franciscan University of Steubenville
j...@franciscan.edu
>>> Gary L Strawn <mrsm...@northwestern.edu> 8/16/2012 5:00 PM >>>
I asked a program to look at the weekly files of LC/NACO name authority records
from 2012: find the new records in
each issue (from Leader/05) that contain both $b and $e in the 040 field, and
see whether $b or $e comes first.
Here are the results:
File 32 has 139552 records, of which 1306 have both $b and $e; in 1306 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 31 has 39665 records, of which 1055 have both $b and $e; in 1055 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 30 has 8959 records, of which 848 have both $b and $e; in 848 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 29 has 9928 records, of which 899 have both $b and $e; in 899 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 28 has 7237 records, of which 556 have both $b and $e; in 556 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 27 has 8691 records, of which 715 have both $b and $e; in 715 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 26 has 7896 records, of which 604 have both $b and $e; in 604 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 25 has 8538 records, of which 575 have both $b and $e; in 575 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 24 has 8618 records, of which 530 have both $b and $e; in 530 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 23 has 8761 records, of which 631 have both $b and $e; in 631 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 22 has 8946 records, of which 605 have both $b and $e; in 605 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 21 has 9490 records, of which 567 have both $b and $e; in 567 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 20 has 9364 records, of which 456 have both $b and $e; in 456 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 19 has 8590 records, of which 439 have both $b and $e; in 439 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 18 has 8917 records, of which 512 have both $b and $e; in 512 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 17 has 9693 records, of which 532 have both $b and $e; in 532 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 16 has 9037 records, of which 422 have both $b and $e; in 422 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 15 has 8743 records, of which 372 have both $b and $e; in 372 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 14 has 9443 records, of which 356 have both $b and $e; in 356 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 13 has 9087 records, of which 448 have both $b and $e; in 448 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 12 has 9485 records, of which 399 have both $b and $e; in 399 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 11 has 9661 records, of which 384 have both $b and $e; in 384 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 10 has 10645 records, of which 410 have both $b and $e; in 410 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 9 has 9488 records, of which 470 have both $b and $e; in 470 of these,
$b comes before $e
File 8 has 8971 records, of which 371 have both $b and $e; in 371 of these,
$b comes before $e
File 7 has 10574 records, of which 473 have both $b and $e; in 473 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 6 has 10306 records, of which 434 have both $b and $e; in 434 of
these, $b comes before $e
File 5 has 9787 records, of which 390 have both $b and $e; in 390 of these,
$b comes before $e
File 4 has 8565 records, of which 273 have both $b and $e; in 273 of these,
$b comes before $e
File 3 has 9449 records, of which 498 have both $b and $e; in 498 of these,
$b comes before $e
File 2 has 8096 records, of which 338 have both $b and $e; in 338 of these,
$b comes before $e
File 1 has 3950 records, of which 171 have both $b and $e; in 171 of these,
$b comes before $e
Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc.
Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208-2300
e-mail: mrsm...@northwestern.edu voice: 847/491-2788 fax: 847/491-8306
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit. BatchCat version: 2007.22.416
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On
Behalf Of Jack Wu
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:59 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Order of 040 subfields
Consistency is a good thing only if it is followed consistently in practice. I
have previously asked if PCC and LC
have both come to the same conclusion that $b before $e is the order to be, if
not already. So I ask again. And if
so, why my search of dx:rda/dlc/2013 shows $e before $b to be true of nearly
all DLC records. I would love some
consistency to follow but perhaps that's not here yet?
Jack
Jack Wu
j...@franciscan.edu
Franciscan University of Steubenville
>>> Gary L Strawn <mrsm...@northwestern.edu> 8/15/2012 10:02 AM >>>
Yep. During the manipulation of the LC/NACO authority file for use under RDA,
all records without $b will receive
it. This means that records re-coded as RDA during phase 2 will have $b as the
second subfield in the 040 field,
and $e as the third subfield. Sounds pretty consistent to me.
Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc.
Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208-2300
e-mail: mrsm...@northwestern.edu voice: 847/491-2788 fax: 847/491-8306
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit. BatchCat version: 2007.22.416
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From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On
Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:57 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Order of 040 subfields
The term "consistent position" is relative rather than absolute. If $e
is to *precede* $c then it could be either the 2nd or 3rd subfield
depending on whether $b is present. Is that correct?
On 8/14/2012 1:03 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> The always well informated Mark quoted:
>
>> Thanks to Joanna for citing this PCC recommendation. OCLC's view on
>> the order of subfields is also very much influenced by this
>> recommendation. We believe that having $e in a consistent position
>> and in the position that is recommended will assist in the quick
>> identification of RDA records.
>
> Certainly having 040$e in a consistent position would be good. Having
> it last, in alphabetical order, we find easier to spot than between
> other subfields (after either $a or $b). I don't look forward to
> having to redo all our RDA Procedures and programs to allow for
> variation in placement for rda$e. Sometimes the simplist solution is
> best.
>
>
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