Hi,
I found the following illustrative matter examples in AACR2 and OCLC
Bibliographic Formats and Standards.
* chiefly maps
* ill. (chiefly col.)
* ill. (some col.)
* some ill. (some col.)
* ill., ports. (some col.)
Based on these examples, ?chiefly maps? means that the content is mainly
composed of maps; ?maps (chiefly col.)? means that
most of maps in the content are colorful. Can we use ?chiefly col. maps? to
describe the content mainly composed of
color maps?
In RDA, they are separated into two sections: illustrative content (7.15) and
colour content (7.17). Examples shown
in 7.15 include specific illustrations like charts or coats of arms. Section
7.17.1.3 (LC PCC PS) includes examples
like colour, some color, and chiefly colour.
I assume if we want to combine 7.15 and 7.17, we still follow AACR2 practice to
describe the above two situations.
Is my understanding correct?
I know that I am a kind of repeating Robert?s words. But would be very happy if
somebody would like to confirm it.
Thanks for the help in advance.
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Matthew Wise <matthew.w...@nyu.edu> wrote:
Thanks, again, Bob.
I am totally on the same page with you (excuse the pun).
--
Matthew Wise
Music Cataloger and Cataloging Policy, Documentation, and Training
Librarian
Knowledge Access and Resource Management Services (KARMS)
Division of Libraries, New York University
20 Cooper Square, Room 313, New York, NY 10003-7112
Phone: 212.998.2485 matthew.w...@nyu.edu
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxw...@byu.edu> wrote:
Matthew,
You are correct that ?some color illustrations? and ?illustrations (some
color)? mean different things, as
do ?chiefly color illustrations? and ?illustrations (chiefly color)?. In
RDA ?some color? is a separate
element from ?illustrations? so if we were just recording elements in a
cataloging form such as this
it would be unambiguous:
Illustrative content: illustrations
Color content: some color
I suppose with the second example we could be more nuanced than we
currently are able to be if we
wanted:
Either
Illustrative content: illustrations
Color content: chiefly color
or
Illustrative content: chiefly illustrations [I *think* this is still
allowed, though now that I
look at it I don?t see it in 7.15, but let?s assume that it is]
Color content: chiefly color [i.e. mostly color but some b & w]
or
Illustrative content: chiefly illustrations
Color content: color [i.e. color, no b & w]
But since we?re trying to pour this into MARC we need to do our best to
clarify it and so in these
situations we?re following AACR2 practice putting the color content
element in parentheses following
the illustrative content element. True, this is inconsistent with
recording ?color illustrations?
rather than ?illustrations (color)?. It is my understanding that we?re
just going to follow AACR2
practice for these elements, although I?m not aware of any official
documentation to that effect (I
suspect it?s in training materials, but not, for example, in PCC-LC PS
that I know of). The trouble
with this, of course, is that you have to understand AACR2 in order to
apply RDA, which is fine
for the current cataloging community but isn?t fine for new catalogers
learning RDA without first
learning AACR2.
Bob
Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568
"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine
ourselves to the course which has
been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Matthew Wise
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:18 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] "coloured illustrations"
Hi, again, Bob.
So then, is it also
$b some color illustrations or $b illustrations (some color)
and
$b chiefly color illustrations or $b illustrations (chiefly
color) ... ?
In the first example, the statement on the left, as a user, I would read this
grammatically to mean that
there were only a few illustrations in the book (which happened to be in
color), as opposed to
illustrations, some of which are in color.
And in the second example, the statement on the left, I would read this as most
of the pages (mentioned
in $a) are color illustrations, as opposed to most of the illustrations are in
color.
What is current practice? And is there recognition that, either way, this is
ambiguous?
Matthew
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Robert Maxwell <robert_maxw...@byu.edu> wrote:
Matthew,
You?re right, RDA doesn?t specify, because it considers these two separate
elements and I imagine RDA would
be fine with either of your formulations. The current practice is:
$b color illustrations
(or $b color illustration if there?s just one).
By the way, not ?colored illustrations??that is taken to mean colored after
publication, e.g., hand colored. I
realize there are a couple of places in RDA examples that use ?coloured? but I
understood these were
mistakes and would be corrected.
Because there?s more than one possible way in RDA to do this, I think it would
be a good idea for
something like an LC-PCC PS at 7.17.1.3 showing the preferred method (if we as
a community in fact do
care that everyone do it consistently). The only thing at LC-PCC PS 7.17.1.3 is
the fact that LC wants
its catalogers to spell the word ?color?, not the form of the element in
combination with words such as
?illustrations? or ?maps?.
Bob
Robert L. Maxwell
Special Collections and Ancient Languages Catalog Librarian
Genre/Form Authorities Librarian
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568
"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to
the course which has been
heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Matthew Wise
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 2:26 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] "coloured illustrations"
Greetings,
As a new user of the RDA Toolkit, I have a stupid question. How do I encode in
a MARC record that a
book has, as AACR2 calls them, "coloured illustrations," i.e., "col. ill.?"
Instruction 7.15.1.3 tells me to record "illustrations." Instruction 7.17.1.3
tells me to record
"colour." And the related LC-PCC PS tells me to change that to "color."
However, how does one record
this in the MARC 300 subfield b?
"color illustrations" or "illustrations (color)"
The latter would parallel what I would likely do for "illustrations (some color)"
and "illustrations
(chiefly color)," although all seem to be incorrect grammatically.
Unfortunately, the JSC has not included this in the MARC-encoded example
records. But I'm sure that I'm
not the first to encounter this situation.
--
Matthew Wise
Music Cataloger and Cataloging Policy, Documentation, and Training Librarian
Knowledge Access and Resource Management Services (KARMS)
Division of Libraries, New York University
20 Cooper Square, Room 313, New York, NY 10003-7112
Phone: 212.998.2485 matthew.w...@nyu.edu
--
Matthew Wise
Music Cataloger and Cataloging Policy, Documentation, and Training Librarian
Knowledge Access and Resource Management Services (KARMS)
Division of Libraries, New York University
20 Cooper Square, Room 313, New York, NY 10003-7112
Phone: 212.998.2485 matthew.w...@nyu.edu
--
Joan Wang
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax
