Just to let you all know that I got an off-list reply about my interpretation that if we say:
[date of publication not identified] Then we have to also say: [date of publication not identified] [date of distribution not identified] [date of manufacture not identified] And the answer was an adamant 'no'; because the distribution and manufacture information is core if applicable, we don't *have* to provide it. So we only need to say [date of distribution not identified] when we have provided other distribution information but don't have a date of distribution (LCPS for 2.9 <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp2&target=lcps2-111615#l cps2-111615> ) . And the same for manufacture information. So, if we do not have any clue for a possible date of publication, and refuse to guess (even as broadly as RDA allows) we do not have to give all three [. not identified] statements; we *should* still do our best to guess, but if we *can't*, we only have to give [date of publication not identified] But, I'd still like to know about the 008 Date coding: 264 _1 . $c [date of publication not identified] DtSt = n Dates = uuuu,uuuu I'm seeing some RDA records with 264 _1 . $c [date of publication not identified], and guessed dates in the 008: s200u,____ ; but I don't think that is correct. Deborah - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:54 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] "Date of publication not identified" & DtSt, Dates You might find (LC-PCC PS for <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/2.8.6.6.html> 2.8.6.6) helpful. I believe that PS would have you do: 264 _1 . $c[2005] 264 _4 $cC2005 DtSt = t Dates = 2005, 2005 Basically, LC suggests that you supply a date if known or probable, guess one if at all possible, using a copyright date, distribution date, first printing date, or some other method, and make a broad guess if that is all you can do, as per <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/1.9.2.html> 1.9.2. IOW, do everything you can to guess a publication date, because if you cannot put *something* down for that element and have to enter [date of publication not identified], then, as far as I can see, you will need to do this: 264 _1 . $c [date of publication not identified] 264 _2 . $c [date of distribution not identified] 264 _3 . $c [date of manufacture not identified] DtSt = n Dates = uuuu, uuuu This basically takes us way back to the pre-AACR days when we could do [n.d.] (no date), but then makes that option so unpleasant that we will stick to the AACR principle of always putting down a date of publication, no matter how wild our guess has to be. I may be way off base about this, so I would very much like to hear what the collective wisdom has to say about my interpretation of the 'Core' instructions for Date of Distribution ( <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/2.9.6.html> 2.9.6) and Date of Manufacture ( <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/2.10.6.html> 2.10.6); i.e.: . Date of distribution is a core element for a resource in a published form if the date of publication is not identified.-- therefore if [date of publication not identified], and you have no date of distribution either, then enter [date of distribution not identified], for a single-part resource ( <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/2.9.6.6.html> 2.9.6.6) . Date of manufacture is a core element for a resource in a published form if neither the date of publication, the date of distribution, nor the copyright date is identified.--therefore if [date of publication not identified], and [date of distribution not identified], and you have no date of manufacture either, then enter [date of manufacture not identified] , for a single-part resource ( <http://access.rdatoolkit.org/2.10.6.6.html> 2.10.6.6) Deborah - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Snow, Karen Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:02 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: [RDA-L] "Date of publication not identified" & DtSt, Dates I've done a little searching and can't find the answer, so I am hoping the collective wisdom can help me out... If you use [date of publication not identified] in 264_1 $c and you have a copyright date in 264_4 (let's say 2005), how would this look in DtSt and Dates fixed fields? DtSt = t Dates = uuuu, 2005 ????? Thanks in advance for your help, Karen Karen Snow, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Graduate School of Library & Information Science Dominican University 7900 West Division Street River Forest, IL 60305 <mailto:ks...@dom.edu> ks...@dom.edu 708-524-6077 (office) 708-524-6657 (fax)
