Hi Allen, The absorption time is actually only 1 hour for the C-series controllers. Battery manufacturers are always the final authority on how their batteries should be charged. If they say you can charge at 14.2-14.4V indefinitely, then increase the float setting. Eric _____________________________________________________________________________________
Eric Bentsen | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | UNITED STATES | Technical Support Representative Phone: +(650) 351-8237 ext. 001# | Email: eric.bent...@schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com/solar | Address: 250 South Vasco Rd., Livermore, CA 94551 *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: Allan Sindelar <al...@positiveenergysolar.com> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Date: 08/01/2013 01:20 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] C60 setpoint question Sent by: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org Wrenches, Eden, our main off grid field tech, came across a situation about which I want to ask the group for advice, please. The system: existing old/funky off grid 12V residential system, done by others over many years; this was our first visit. Owner out of state, currently rented, owner's complaint is that the old Heart 2800 EMS inverter is shutting down at times. Six four year old Concorde SunXtender PVX-3050Ts, so 900 rated amp-hours in three strings at 12V. Approximately 830 watts of a hodgepodge of older modules, but well below rated output at present, though no obvious failures. Trace C60 charge controller. Our assessment after a site visit is that the batteries have been chronically undercharged and are showing signs of premature sulfation. With AGM batteries such as these, we have been encouraged (by Midnite tech support and others) to set really long absorption times - we have some systems with six-hour absorptions. The logic is that theese batteries can tolerate - indeed thrive on - staying at absorption voltage of 14.2 - 14.4 V (for 12 V nominal) indefinitely, and given the fickle nature of off grid PV charging, this maximizes the likelihood of their getting full most days. This logic makes total sense to me. Most modern MPPT charge controllers have a programmable absorption time, and some have a done amps (a.k.a. float transition current), to allow them to transition to float if the charge current necessary to maintain absorption voltage drops below a set threshold (typically 1-3% of battery capacity). The C60 has neither, but rather has a nonadjustable two-hour timed absorption. This brings the question: is there any good reason that the float voltage on the C60 should not be set to the same voltage as the bulk/absorption voltage, such that they never drop into float? When sufficient input is available to get the batteries full, they are just allowed to stay in absorption mode indefinitely, slowly getting the energy necessary to reach 100%. We have installed many Concorde AGM batteries, but never with an old C-series controller. This idea seems wacky, but the more I think about it, the more I can't see any problem with it. What do the rest of you advise? Thanks, Allan -- Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician Founder and Chief Technology Officer Positive Energy, Inc., a Certified B CorporationTM 3209 Richards Lane Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507 505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell www.positiveenergysolar.com ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
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