Wrenches:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention:  Todd, you can hold the lecture:  I agree with 
you but the repetition is wasting energy.  

William

On Aug 16, 2013, at 12:01 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote:

> "off-grid systems where the loads are enormous,"
>  
> i realize this is not popular now in these days of "solar is so cheap", but i 
> will not work for people who wont conserve or be efficient.
>  
> as we all know, pv contains lots of embedded energy and to my thinking... 
> having it power waste is simply greenwashing... so the "race to the bottom" 
> will have to happen without my help.
> i start every job (on or off grid) with an energy audit. the result is 
> radically lower consumption levels, more conscious customers, a smaller 
> system (so less resource use and less economic investment). this yields a 
> win-win for the customer and planet. with propane/wood powering the water and 
> space heating loads (and sometimes refrigeration), line drying laundry... 
> generally the maximum consumption i see is in the 5 to 6 kWh/day area.
>  
> around here, with our seasonal precipitation it is nearly impossible to do 
> off grid without generator use in the winter. here again, conservation helps 
> as it reduces the overall load, battery cycling (and wear) and generator use.
>  
> i realize you were asking about battery cycling, but with lower consumption 
> profiles, this becomes less of an issue.
>  
> thats my "old school" .02
>  
> todd
>  
>  
> 
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