Mr. Miller I did not nor would l ever say you don't get your hands dirty, conduit work is not much different than riding a bike, the best way to stay on top of what ever you do is to practice. l to have been in the trades since the 70's. lm also a pilot and both require hands on behind the wheel skill and brain. Developing connections that includes eye hand feel of what you are operating that as l as sure you have comes with using the tools and knowing the feel in you hands not on a video on a screen. There are many people either entering our trade as a result of retraining or through ROP private or public programs that watch u tube videos and think they are masters of the trade before ever picking up a bender, this is what l am referring to. Jerry
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018, 2:06 PM William Miller <will...@millersolar.com> wrote: > Jerry: > > > > I sure hope you are not implying that I don’t get my hands dirty, or that > I am looking for some kind of shortcut, because your message kind of > implies that. I have been in the trades since 1973. I have been licensed > since 1990. I have bent EMT, rigid steel, rigid aluminum and PVC. I have > installed vapor proof, explosion proof and motor control circuits. I have > roped new houses and have done lots of old-work. I have installed > microwave dishes, spliced waveguide, rebuilt transmitters and installed > video and audio distribution equipment-- complete with ladder rack and > fiber optics raceway. We have installed hundreds of PV systems, most of > them off-grid, and established somewhat of a reputation for quality > work……. I hope you get the picture. > > > > Getting one’s hands dirty is only part of the answer. Engaging your > brain, using the best tools you can find and reaching out to other > professionals is the other part of the equation. > > > > In our trade, a contractor does not bend conduit all day every day. We > sometimes go weeks without touching a stick of pipe. Therefore, we have to > keep thinking and keep training. > > > > This is why I reached out to the Wrenches for advice. I hope we can keep > the Wrenches forum as a safe place to ask for advice without fear of being > judged. > > > > Most Sincerely, > > > > William Miller > > > > > > [image: Gradient Cap_mini] > Lic 773985 > millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/> > 805-438-5600 > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jerry Shafer > *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:37 PM > *To:* RE-wrenches > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Conduit Bending > > > > There is no substitute for practice, Utube videos only go so far, get some > pipe and a bender and start working. It's interesting how everyone is > looking for the key to learning how to do most everything that is hard, the > key is practice, get your hands dirty and you will be impressed by what you > can do. > > Jerry > > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 4:00 PM Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote: > > I too have been perplexed on the art of conduit bending. One of my > favorite master electricians in CO suggested that I go online & get a DVD & > book with tips & calcs that he makes available to his apprentices. > > Relatively cheap compared to experimenting/guessing - time & a pile of > odd-looking material attempts. > > > > It was completely worth the $100+/- I spent. > > I checked on Amazon & it looked like it was there still there. > > *Conduit Bending Program with DVD AND Bending Charts Book Supplement – > 2016 * > > I am still learning but it’s lots easier. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc. > > *C - 208.721.7003 d...@solarwork.com > <d...@solarwork.com>* > > Idaho Contractor - # 028765 Idaho PV # 028374 > > NABCEP # 051112-136 www.solarwork.biz > > *"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" * > > *P* Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On > Behalf Of *toddc...@finestplanet.com > *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2018 2:56 PM > *To:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Conduit Bending > > > > > > > > On Friday, November 2, 2018 12:40pm, "Michael Morningstar" < > mjmornings...@gmail.com> said: > > William, > > > > When one is doing a lot of bending of rigid conduit, where the finished > length of pipe needs to be determined, after all bends are made, and > threading happens first due to bends interfering with the threading > machine, one develops a DOPE sheet. The term being borrowed from long > distance marksmanship, Data On Previous Engagements. One bends scrap pipe > to various angles, and by making marks where the bender makes contact with > both stub marks, and the 45 degree and saddle marks, a cheat sheet can be > developed to help with arriving at desired stub lengths and calculating > “shrink”, the amount that a length of pipe shortens after bends are made. > Similarly a DOPE sheet can be made, or trigonometry can be used when making > concentric bends and segmented bending. > > That was the world I inhabited for a decade and a half. Now days, if I get > into that situation, bend and cut : ) > > Michael > > On Nov 2, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Ray <r...@solarray.com> wrote: > > I usually do the bend and cut method, because it really is faster and EMT > is cheap. Look how much time you are already cooking doing research and > exploring various apps, etc? I too have wanted to be the cool pro, and > bend to exact measurements, but alas, the sun is setting much sooner now, > and I need to get the job done. Also, I recently picked up a nifty reamer > attachment that chucks up in a cordless drill and finishes the cut end > nicely. Between that and my porta band saw, the bend and cut method is > faster and the finished job is just as good. Actually I just switched to > Metal Clad 6-3 for my PV runs, and it seems better as well. > > I look forward to hearing what other more accomplished conduit smiths have > to offer, though. > > Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 > > On 11/2/18 12:18 PM, William Miller wrote: > > Colleagues: > > > > I am always trying to improve my conduit bending skills. I came upon this > scenario and need some input: > > > > I am bending stubs at less than 90 degrees. How do I calculate stub > heights at less than 90 degrees? I am using the old > bend-it-longer-and-cut-it-to-length method but that does not suit my > personal style. I want to make a mark, bend from it and have it fit. > > > > I have searched on line and purchased several IOS apps for conduit > bending. None of my research has turned up an answer. > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > > > William > > > > > > > > <image003.jpg> > Lic 773985 > millersolar.com <http://www.millersolar.com/> > 805-438-5600 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood > Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change > listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or > update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > > > Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > >
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