Ive had more issues w/ propane gen sets here, then diesel, in the cold NE but, having been doing this for 30+ years, we’ve figured work arounds. We usually go w/ propane because the rest of the clients infrastructure is set up for propane. AND I don’t stink of diesel when the client hasn’t change the fuel filters or oil. Carb heaters, indoor enclosures w/ thermostatically controlled louvers, + 0 weight oil. We always used the MQs or the Wackers in Humboldt, Ca. Bullet proof as long as one is aware of the alternator to engine crank bearing life span. > On Jan 18, 2022, at 1:51 PM, Michael Morningstar <mjmornings...@gmail.com > <mailto:mjmornings...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I’ve installed Hundreds upon hundreds of diesel generators at elevation here > in the mountains of NorCal. Temps down to -15F. None have needed block > heaters. For under 40KW, Wrico International. Growers were getting 20-40K > hours out of them. They are open frame. MQ Power for an off the shelf > enclosed gen-set. Ray is correct in that there aren’t any decent (low rpm, > liquid cooled) propane generators. We won’t touch the disposable propane > generators like the Kohler RES and Genercrap equivalents. Oh, Wrico does > build legit <15kw propane generators…..they cost 14K > > >> On Jan 18, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Ray <r...@solarray.com >> <mailto:r...@solarray.com>> wrote: >> >> I won't go less than double the inverter rating anymore with gensets. So >> the Kohler 12 kW is probably the lowest cost, decent match for the XW. >> Otherwise you're just over working the genset, which usually aren't designed >> for continuous duty. It keeps the voltage stable enough to not disconnect >> when a surge (like that sewage pump) comes on. >> >> As far as 1800 rpm, I don't know anything under 20 kw in propane. The fuel >> consumption of a 20kw at 25% is very comparable to the 12kW at 50%. I've >> been considering diesel, but just always have been worried about cold >> starting in the mountains. >> Ray Walters >> Remote Solar >> 303 505-8760 >> On 1/18/22 9:17 AM, Tump wrote: >>> Ray I would love to know which larger propane gen set you are suggesting. >>> 1800 or 3600 rpm. Air cooled or water cooled. To my knowledge there are >>> very few L cooled 1800 rpm gen sets in the 12-15kW range. T >>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Ray <r...@solarray.com >>>> <mailto:r...@solarray.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a question: why so small a generator? I've always regretted under >>>> sizing the genny for battery charging. Larger gensets are not as fuel >>>> hungry as you might think. I was surprised recently when I did some >>>> calcs, and found that a larger genset would actually get slightly better >>>> fuel consumption at the proposed load. >>>> Plus the larger gensets are usually built to last longer than the portable >>>> stuff. >>>> Ray Walters >>>> Remote Solar >>>> 303 505-8760 >>>> On 1/17/22 5:33 PM, Jeff Clearwater wrote: >>>>> Hello Again All, >>>>> >>>>> Or I'd consider suggesting propane to the customer as well. Any >>>>> experience with know compatibles in propane? >>>>> >>>>> txnks >>>>> >>>>> jc >>>>> >>>>>> Jeff Clearwater <mailto:je...@villagepowerdesign.com> January 17, 2022 >>>>>> at 1:29 PM >>>>>> Thanks All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Aren't there any 5-8 KW gas gennys out there already set up for 2-wire >>>>>> start? 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