Thanks, Harry. A cut to the chase question, please: is there a Core inverter-compatible/acceptable RSD product that can accommodate mods with a 60+ VOC?
Mahalo, marco On Friday, March 18, 2022, Harry Mahon <michael.ma...@sma-america.com> wrote: > All – A few points of clarification. > > > > There are no Tigo devices on the SunSpec CERTIFIED list of rapid shutdown > receivers (which can be found at Sunspec.org). > > Thus, SMA will not go through any compatibility testing with Tigo devices > that are stated to be SunSpec compatible (any TIGO device with F at end of > name) > > > > So, the statement that SMA does not approve of any Tigo devices paired > with SMA inverters is correct *** when using SunSpec for rapid shutdown ***. > > > > The Sunny Boy US-41 and CORE1 US-41 lines have built into every unit a > SunSpec certified (found on SunSpec.org) rapid shutdown transmitter. > > So only when used with SMA approved SunSpec certified rapid shutdown > receivers is this a fully supported installation by SMA Service line. > > > > The list of SMA approved receivers can be found on the respective CORE and > Sunny Boy product pages at SMA-America.com. Go to the Downloads tab, the > Background Knowledge section, and look for “Technical Information – SunSpec > Certified Rapid Shutdown Devices” > > Direct link to current SMA approved SunSpec receiver document: > https://files.sma.de/downloads/SunSpec-Kompatibilitaet-TI-en-14.pdf > > > > This approved list was created to ensure ALL inverter functions perform as > expected when SunSpec signalling is used for rapid shutdown. SunSpec > certification for rapid shutdown only covers the rapid shutdown > functionality. As new rapid shutdown receivers are certified by SunSpec, > SMA goes through our approval testing. So the above document is updated > regularly – please check SMA-America.com for the most up-to-date version > rather than keeping the above link. > > > > The TS4-A-O unit from Tigo does not use SunSpec for rapid shutdown > compliance. That device (also requiring an external CCA separately wired > to TAP unit(s) near array to provide rapid shutdown compliance) ARE > approved for use with both the Sunny Boy US-41 and CORE1 US-41 lines from > SMA. This is the ONLY current unit from Tigo that is approved for use with > current SMA inverters. > > ** Note that there is a different setting chosen for Rapid Shutdown during > SMA inverter commissioning if using the TS4-A-O; it is NOT SunSpec! Please > contact SMA if you have any questions.** > > > > Direct link to (no longer updated) TS4 SMA global compatibility document: > https://files.sma.de/downloads/TS4-Kompatibilitaet-TI-en-19.pdf > > > > Sharp eyed readers will note that the above linked document mentions the > TS4-R-F-42 unit. This was an SMA-only part as SMA physically modified the > stock Tigo TS4-R-F to achieve SunSpec certification. The Tigo TS4-R-F was > not SunSpec certified, and neither are any current TS4-A-F or TS4-A-2F > units. > > > > There was a mention of the GIB in the thread, the Gateway Interface Board > (GIB) was part of the SMA Rooftop Communication Kit P2 that was > discontinued 4+ years ago. 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Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or > any attachments thereto) by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not > the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and > permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any > attachments thereto. Thank you. > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> *On > Behalf Of *Glenn Burt > *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2022 9:57 PM > *To:* Marco Mangelsdorf <ma...@pvthawaii.com>; RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA SBxx-US-41 inverters and Tigo TS4A-O > operation > > > > Yes, no SMA products are to be used with Tigo equipment. Turns out they > are not really fully Sunspec Alliance compatible. > > They have tested a couple of products thoroughly with their inverters and > you can find them on the SMA website. > > > > Oh and BTW, new SMA inverters will no longer have Wi-Fi capabilities due > to chip shortages. Another nugget from the class... > > > > -Glenn > > Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors. > > > > ------ Original message------ > > *From: *Marco Mangelsdorf > > *Date: *Thu, Mar 17, 2022 11:46 PM > > *To: *RE-wrenches; > > *Cc: * > > *Subject:*Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA SBxx-US-41 inverters and Tigo TS4A-O > operation > > > > Does that go for not using Tigo with the SMA Core inverter as well? > > > > marco > > On Thursday, March 17, 2022, Glenn Burt <glenn.b...@glbcc.com> wrote: > > I attended some SMA training last week and we were clearly and > emphatically told that they do not recomment any Tigo products be used with > their inverters. > > > > -Glenn > > Sent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors. > > > > ------ Original message------ > > *From: *Jeremy Rodriguez > > *Date: *Thu, Mar 17, 2022 11:21 PM > > *To: *re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org; > > *Cc: * > > *Subject:*[RE-wrenches] SMA SBxx-US-41 inverters and Tigo TS4A-O operation > > > > Hello, > > I normally do not install optimizing TS4s but we’ve got an upcoming > project that will need it. > > SMA tech support was a bit uncertain that the latest -41 inverters did NOT > require the CCA along with the Tigo Gateway, and that one could use the > rooftop comm kit with the GIB gateway interface board. > > > > Can someone clarify if the CCA + Gateway are needed, or can I use the GIB > to get the gateway communication established. > > > > > > Thanks in advance ! > > > > Jeremy Rodriguez > > Solar Installation / Design Expert > > All Solar, Inc. > > 1453 M St > > Penrose Colorado 81240 > > > > Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand. > >
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