I’m going to both agree and disagree 

Agree The older inverters ( Schneider, Outback, etc) your drawing is correct. 

Disagree For many new inverters ( sol ark, ev4, fortress) they bring ac coupling into the inverter directly. 
Usually on the generator input and not in the backup loads panel. 

And I will also disagree about the statement that these inverters are not designed for ac coupling. 
Agreed that the earlier non rule 21 compliant versions didn’t have any internal control and required external relay control to prevent overcharge. 

Newer versions of Schneider, OB, have  frequently shift which works with newer gt inverters to address the ac coupling overcharge concerns. While creating potential new issues for loads with up to 64 hz. 


Jay





On Oct 28, 2023, at 2:15 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:



Friends:

 

I am starting to get the impression that there is a diversion on the understanding of the definition of AC coupling within the industry.  I think this definition needs to be clarified.

 

Below is a diagram of what I understand is a DC coupled system (I hope these diagrams come through):

 

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A battery inverter that receives AC power into an AC input port is not AC coupled.

 

Here is an AC-coupled system:

 

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What makes AC-Coupled systems unique are the problems presented by sending power backwards through a battery inverter.  This is not how battery inverters were originally designed to operate.  These systems require careful consideration to avoid battery overcharging.

 

Do we have consensus on this definition?

 

William Miller

 

Miller Solar

17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422

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www.millersolar.com

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