The AIO can be used as a standard GridTie inverter without batteries. So can replace current inverters or install new and add storage at a later date.
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > I wasn't aware of the new AIO product until this thread. I downloaded the > manual and quick start guide and wanted to ask if this can be used without > batteries, and then batteries added later, as with Sol Ark. All the > schematics in the AIO show batteries. Searching didn't help with the > terms I was using. > > The reality is I am 66, just picked a Medicare Plan today!, so not too > much time on the horizon. However I have two jobs that want to use > batteries later, not now. > > Thanks for any help. Chris > > > > > On 7/21/2024 10:36 AM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches wrote: > > Jay, > I have not tried it with anything but the Midnite BMS, so no personal > experience. Midnite says it is compatible with others, and I will take > William's word that it is compatible with Pylon protocol. > Howie > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 10:32 AM William Bryce via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> Hi Jay >> >> The AIO will work with any battery that uses the Pylon battery >> protocall. >> You can find some Youtube videos of it being used with the EG4 wall mount >> batteries. >> >> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 9:29 AM jay via RE-wrenches < >> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >> >>> HI Howie, >>> >>> Does the AIO communicate with other brands of batteries? >>> >>> I concure about using batteries/inverters from same OEM, its my >>> preference. >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 6:37 PM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches < >>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >>> >>> I have been testing a pre-production model of Midnite's AIO (All in One) >>> inverter/charge controller in my off-grid house (replaced a dual stacked >>> VFX3648, Midnite Classic200 and an AC coupled SunnyBoy), and while I >>> haven't put it through any serious tests yet, I am impressed with its >>> functions and spec's. I also have a couple of 5kWh LiFePO4 batteries with >>> their BMS that I just added to the system (replacing a 1300 ah 2-volt >>> Lead-Acid battery bank), and the integration was seamless (really plug and >>> play, compared to an often more complicated pairing between other >>> all-in-ones I've been installing (Sol-Ark, Fortress). I've gotten a sneak >>> peak at their monitoring site which is still under intensive development, >>> and what I've seen looks pretty good. I was not a fan of the all-in-ones >>> when they started to flood the market (Sonnen, Pika/Generac, etc.) >>> especially ones with the batteries integrated. But I have converted over >>> to them almost exclusively as they are much simpler for my clients to >>> understand - their programming and operation as well as their >>> communications are much better integrated and cleaner in my opinion. They >>> of course have had power issues and firmware headaches, which is why I am >>> sticking to inverters and batteries from the same manufacturer. I will keep >>> you all up to date on my experience with the production model of the >>> Midnite AIO as I install them and with the Midnite LiFePO4 batteries as >>> they become available. >>> >>> Howie Michaelson >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 7:26 PM Dan Fink via RE-wrenches < >>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >>> >>>> James Showalter from Signature Solar and Eric Lundgren from Big Battery >>>> purchased Outback Solar. I have had terrible tech support experiences from >>>> both of those outfits, they tend to conveniently "forget" your engineering >>>> and NEC code compliance support requests when the answer is just simply >>>> "no, not yet UL listed" or "we don't know if that feature works or not." >>>> I'm not sure how these prolific suppliers of cheap crap products with >>>> terrible QC and NIB failure rates intend to compete, but my guess is that >>>> they have control of the big crap overseas product pipeline nozzle and >>>> intend to steer the huge stream of sewage in our direction. Sol-Ark just >>>> imports Deye products and retrofits them with their own upgrades and >>>> firmware. Magnum has vanished, much to my dismay as my own system is Magnum >>>> as are dozens of my customers. >>>> >>>> Us off-grid folks still have a couple guys named boB and Robin at >>>> Midnite that still manufacture, sell and support good products. Maybe >>>> Morningstar will up their game into larger inverters. Why are all these >>>> shady import companies based in Texas? Inquiring minds want to know! BTW, I >>>> hate all-in-ones, never had a single good experience, just endless firmware >>>> and comms updates and such simple issues resulting in multiple truck rolls. >>>> >>>> I miss Lones Tuss of Outback calling me back on a Friday evening at 7PM >>>> and remotely diagnosing my client's VFX / Mate 3S issues whilst doing his >>>> laundry at home, after I submitted a ticket earlier that day. The client >>>> seriously thought I was pulling a practical joke on him until I put Lones >>>> on speaker. >>>> >>>> Strange new world for us off-grid folks. I'll have to stick with the >>>> very few companies left that I trust. Yes, yes, Schneider, but their tech >>>> support is almost impenetrable. >>>> >>>> Our strange new off-grid world seems to be destined as crap from >>>> Alibaba and Amazon, and it all smells rather off to me, like the "fresh >>>> fish" at a run-down Safeway in eastern Kansas.... >>>> >>>> Dan Fink >>>> Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting LLC >>>> IREC Certified Instructor for PV and Small Wind Installation >>>> NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector >>>> NABCEP PV Associate >>>> d <dan.f...@greendustrialtraining.com>anbo...@gmail.com >>>> 970-672-4342 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 3:22 PM Jay via RE-wrenches < >>>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just checked the OB forums page and there is nothing current. >>>>> >>>>> One thing I found says that the new president of OB is the CEO of Big >>>>> Battery. I don’t know that to be a fact. >>>>> Which is also somehow related to signature solar/ EG4. >>>>> >>>>> My guess is that if/when OB resurfaces it won’t have the same >>>>> products. It’ll just be an old name selling new products and they won’t be >>>>> dealing with old legacy products, warranty or MX or tech support. >>>>> >>>>> I could be way wrong. >>>>> >>>>> But anyone trying to keep a product line going wouldn’t just stop all >>>>> communication for a few months. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone who has been an OB distributor might know more about >>>>> what’s up? I no longer have any of those contacts. >>>>> >>>>> New world, fellow wrenches. >>>>> >>>>> Jay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>> >>>> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >>>> >>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>> >>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>> >>>> There are two list archives for searching. 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