I personally prefer Kanban and Scrum like teams to being in work Hierarchy.  
The only thing Hierarchy makes sense to me is to control the money and the 
expected result being paid for.  I usually avoid being part of Hierarchy as I 
don't see it as being productive for new ideas. Suggestion:  Put a useful link 
in your email when you refer to something like Bugzilla tracking.  How do you 
tell how many people are working on the same task and what they are doing?   If 
we were to use a Kanban board, it would need a timeout for any volunteers that 
don't report in to facilitate new volunteers taking over a task.


Data: I have been looking at Hadoop recently and have used Python.   R will 
come later.  My personal approach to data of any size so far involves a pseudo 
AI mindset I label as Instinct along with dividing and conquering the data from 
different perspectives until I like what I see.


I will be getting up to speed on more DevOps automation skills over time while 
I play in cloud systems like AWS.  I expect Cloudformation and the Google 
management equivalent to be my best friends perhaps Jenkins also.  I have some 
experience with Gmake and it sounds like a good move.  I have Visual Studio 
2017 professional installed on my computers but I am concerned that environment 
path settings are disappearing with windows updates on the windows insider 
program.  Next thing you know the command prompt no longer knows what python is 
and pip install doesn't finish successfully.  I don't look forward to spending 
time fixing that.

The garbage problem sounds similar to what I was seeing with spreadsheet 
filters.   Comparing what worked before and considering event conflict 
scenerios might help.

________________________________
From: Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:45 PM
To: David Larson; recruitment@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Introduction of: R J Wahl


Hi David,


Let me point out that we do not work Hierarchial. This might be strange, but 
thats how it is. The focus is on your desicion. You decide the amount, and the 
activity. There is no responsibility to do anything, only the respect from 
those that are interested in OpenOffice when you get involved. We currently 
have no company that is looking for any positions. :P

I understand that a lot of people have difficulties with this approach, so I 
try to give some lead. And usually Recruitment is quite quiet, since it has 
only the purpose to be an entrypoint for newcommers to give some orientation 
and space. We hope that they join the community and get involved there. If 
there is in need or you have some Questions that you feel fit on recruitment 
then feel free to do so. The Recruiters (where I think I am the most active 
one) will try our best to support.


In general the Bugzilla Bugtracker has a lot of tasks where one can find 
something to do. (I think over 3K open request, a lot of them Rubbish, old 
whishes or whatever).


We currently have following dev Topics in Discussion:

# There is the general Idea to do some generic Code maintenance by replaceing 
the good ols C arrays with the more modern Container based approches.

# TOP Community Issue is that under certain conditions OpenOffice writes 
rubbish to disk, destroying all users work. It is currently in Analysis.

# Our Microsoft compatibility sucks. There is the Idea to integrate OOXML from 
Apache POI. This is kind of difficult since we use a SAX API and POI does not 
support that, plus has limitations.

# We still use 20 year old dmake. Damjan is migrating to gmake toolset, maybe 
this could be supported.

# pushing next Release to public: i think we have work to do to iron out bugs 
so we cann call it stable. The dream is we manage it this year. (So far we also 
dreamed of releasing 4.1.4 in Q1 maybe Q2.)


I recommend to try build OpenOffice first. The build Process has a charm on its 
own and the Code is also not very intuitive. So participating is not easy task.

In all questions the dev Mailing list is the place to talk to.

Since all Volunteers are doing this in their freetime, sometimes you need to 
have patience and be persistant. If you assume that everybody has around the 
time for this Project as you, you are not so far from the truth I believe.

You are free and welcome to help as you think best. Sorry to stress that a bit. 
;)

If none of the active topics suits you I can try and dig some other stuff out. 
No issue. Could take a while thought.


I hope this helps you and you have interest enough to make your way into the 
Project. :)


So data sientist?! Well I am happen to be active in that Area (roughly lol). So 
what you are looking into? SAS or more in python and R ? - Just courious.


Have Fun!

All the Best

Peter


On 22.10.2017 20:08, David Larson wrote:

I have been waiting for some time to see message activity here that makes 
sense.  It has been pretty quiet. Thanks for your reply.


I am an experienced software engineer with skills in C, C++, Assembly, Java, 
SQL and so on, in addition to constantly learning new skills.  Let me turn your 
question around.   I am willing to take a chance to help volunteer a little of 
my time to make OpenOffice better. What do you want me to do?   I don't have 
much spare time while I strive to pivot my career toward data analysis and find 
a job  opportunity near me (or remote access) that doesn't include hidden age 
discrimination.  Do you have a list of tasks available?  Are you interested in 
adding new tasks such as fixing the spreadsheet filtering bug?   I signed up 
expecting to see some activity and instructions on how to get started helping 
that I could focus on a task to help such as debugging, fixing something, code 
reviewing, mentoring making unit tests or even reproducing bugs.  My last email 
was both to declare OpenOffice as still being a worthwhile product and suggest 
possible ideas that occur to me.

Getting to know people  with similar interests but different perspectives while 
helping is a plus.   Nobody knows my accomplishments except my former job 
coworkers because I haven't been a social media type person trying to promote 
everything I do and I haven't yet placed any of my personal projects on public 
github repositories.  I prefer to spend most of my time focused on 
accomplishing the next something.

Best regards,
David

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________________________________
From: Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org><mailto:pe...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 10:24 AM
To: 
recruitment@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:recruitment@openoffice.apache.org>; 
David Larson
Cc: arjaywoodmas...@gmail.com<mailto:arjaywoodmas...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction of: R J Wahl

Hi David Larson,

What do you want? This list is ment for people who are interested in
joining OpenOffice to improve the application OpenOffice.
Nothing more nothing less.

Do you want to join or are you looking for coworkers?

All the best
Peter

On 21.10.2017 14:45, David Larson wrote:
> I use openoffice portable so its handy when I need it but out of the way (not 
> using computer resources when I don't use it).  I do the same with the chrome 
> browser as it launches too many processes for my tastes.   I don't use 
> Microsoft Office as its too integrated with the OS.  I want my computer to be 
> like a transformer Lamborghini not  an overburdened bus. I put 32gb of ram in 
> each of my computers and I still feel that way as I have my own plans for the 
> data space.
>
>
> One slightly annoying behavior of openoffice to fix is sometimes when I start 
> it the first time it complains about needing to clean up and quits before 
> starting but it works the second time I try, however then it tends to state 
> it is recovering documents I last worked on when I already have them saved 
> and puts them into a read only state.  In addition, there is document formats 
> that probably need to be added. On the ancient side, there is Wordstar which 
> I discovered I still have old resumes written in and have to resort to a 
> different tool to recover their valuable content.  On the current side, I am 
> suspicious that the latest Word like formats supported are getting stale with 
> the Office fans out there.  Hopefully these are not beyond our reach.   I 
> don't personally care about spreadsheet file formats at this time as I only 
> use them for my own experiments nor for presentation formats usually although 
> I may care for those soon.   I do care about some recent new spreadsheet 
> misbehaviors with moderately sized data sets I have been seeing which I don't 
> like... mostly regarding auto filters that cause weird results that are 
> difficult to undo.  This problem interferes with my efforts to develop the 
> information I need for a special new kindle book on SQL. Do we have a 
> comprehensive list of the latest formats, bugs, and important features that 
> should be supported but may not be?
>
>
> Note I am willing to use github for public projects and I am using Atlassian 
> Bitbucket for my private projects as I can have 4 coworkers in it for free in 
> that we can use to get started saving the world from data overload.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org><mailto:pesce...@apache.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:44 AM
> To: 
> recruitment@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:recruitment@openoffice.apache.org>
> Cc: arjaywoodmas...@gmail.com<mailto:arjaywoodmas...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Introduction of: R J Wahl
>
> CCing R J for the answer below. When someone is new, please reply to
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>
> On 20/10/2017 David Larson wrote:
>> Hi R J,
>>
>> What programming languages are you learning/using and what are your 
>> interests?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Arjay Woodmaster 
>> <arjaywoodmas...@gmail.com><mailto:arjaywoodmas...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:50 AM
>> To: 
>> recruitment@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:recruitment@openoffice.apache.org>
>> Subject: Introduction of: R J Wahl
>>
>> Hi I am R J Wahl.
>> I am from South Africa.
>> I am interested in general programming, computers and heavy metal.
>>
>> I decided to look at open source projects as a learning curve towards
>> becoming a better programmer.
>>
>> Thanks
>> R J Wahl
>>



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