Ok cool as i said i have a server in a DC in Sydney Australia which may 
be perfect to check out latency issues. Im prob not so cool to put the 
ip in an archived list so i guess someone email me offlist for the url :\

joseph wamicha wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> Thanks alot for your very clear and concise explanation. It will help 
> us all
> so much as we do our tests. Also, it will now be much easier to help out
> with patches where I can manage to understand the red5 streaming 
> issues; it
> is very hard!
>
> Thanks once again.
>
> On 3/21/07, Dan Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> > Hi Dan,
>> >
>> > You have been testing live streaming much longer than most of us so if
>> > I get
>> > you right, red5 has had the following issues for live streaming:
>> Im not sure about longer my very first post here was july last year 
>> ?? :)
>>
>> >
>> > 1. Heap space errors for large files. This is because of mina.
>> Sorry i think I got you confused, there was java memory heap errors with
>> red5 last november for videos larger than 46MB to be exact. This was
>> fixed.
>>
>> The mina issue i mentioned about was suggested to me here
>>
>> http://jira.red5.org/browse/SN-1
>>
>> Ive logged every single comparison test i can do here, it was painful
>> and time consuming :\
>>
>> the problem with vod buffering problems which red5 seems to have an
>> issue with latency and is unable to handle the video data to "push" more
>> bits down the connection to keep the buffer length in check which seems
>> both FMS and wowza seem to do. So if you are a few k's from your server
>> in a data centre you are fine and buffer lengths of 1 minute, if you are
>> inter-continental across underwater cabling like I am then the problems
>> start to arise i think. Well we've had issues with people broadcasting
>> from brazil to our DC in NY, and from Sydney to NY. Its that bad we've
>> had to move the short clips back to progressive download as i did in
>> november, however we added scrub features into our player so was just a
>> test to see how stable red5 is with it. So in terms of memory and
>> resources stability is perfect maybe a little more cpu than i like (P4
>> 3G 2G of ram) about 20% usage so far compared to IIS with the same
>> traffic its pretty much 0% :)
>>
>> > 2. Buffering issues. What do you think is causing buffering problems?
>>
>> See above.
>> > 3. Live delay. Audio/Video is out of sync? What do you think is
>> > causing this
>> > for live streaming?
>> Well from the previous comments live delay shows up as 0 , i get the
>> negative timestamp warnings, its streaming at 150k so no problem with
>> buffering however a 180k vod still has ther same buffer problem on a
>> 24MB adsl conn so its not that ! We've teried every config pososible it
>> seems streaming at 80 video quality seems to make the frames stick less,
>> streaming at 30fps seems to give alot of headroom to accomodate on
>> playback so red5 is doing between 9 and 16fps so thats ok. The issue
>> lots of us are experiencing as with my case is it will play the frames
>> smooth for 3 seconds, stick, play frames smooth for another 3-5 seconds
>> stick and over and over.
>>
>> Im just so hoping its related the the vod problem so if thats fixed so
>> is the live issue.
>>
>> Back to the comparison, red5 streamed live better than fms which caused
>> rebuffering, maybe its because of the bandwidth limits set but i got no
>> error about it. Wowza rebuffered also on live streaming, but both wowza
>> and fms was perfect with vod so cancels out bad route issues to servers.
>>
>> >
>> > What other issues might you be having? I seem to be hitting the same
>> > issues
>> > you speak about. For example, when I begin loading files over 
>> 300MB, it
>> > sometimes fails to play.
>>
>>
>> the only issue i have is on first load the buffer of 8 seconds is empty
>> again so rebuffers and then when it goes to play it starts at 8 seconds
>> not 0 seconds !  No major issue with 300MB files.
>>
>>
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