Hi Troels, For the dispersion models, excluding the 'R2eff' model, the data to be randomised is the R2eff/R1rho values (and the measured R1 for off-resonance data), not the peak intensities. This looks like a simple bug - I guess you'll have it fixed in one of the next commits. The bootstrapping numbers should be similar to the MC simulations.
Oh, you should understand the situation where the covariance matrix and bootstrapping techniques fail. If you have a long flat valley or tunnel going down to a small minimum, there are situations where noise can constrict the tunnels causing a new minimum to appear somewhere in the tunnel. The noise can also squeeze a fine local minimum out of existence, hence a new minimum will appear somewhere on the path of steepest descent before the real minimum position. These new minima occur a lot in the model-free space, see my paper at http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10858-006-9007-z, specifically figure 2 which shows this type of space and figure 4 which shows what happens to Monte Carlo simulations. It is actually relatively common when the optimisation problem is non-linear. And from your OpenDX mapping of the dispersion space, I can guarantee you that in certain edge cases, this will occur in the dispersion space as well. The covariance matrix technique makes assumptions about the quadrature of the space, and these conditions break that assumption and make the error estimate far too small. And the bootstrapping technique is not capable of simulating this correctly as the wrong data is randomised - it will give a distorted picture of this phenomenon. In such cases, Monte Carlo simulations gives the best estimate. But as you can see in figure 4 of my paper, this technique can also have significant problems if the squeezing of the space causes the new minimum to appear at infinity :) Regards, Edward On 2 September 2014 03:06, <[email protected]> wrote: > Author: tlinnet > Date: Tue Sep 2 03:06:02 2014 > New Revision: 25526 > > URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/relax?rev=25526&view=rev > Log: > Tried to implement bootstrap method. > > But that goes horrible wrong. > > The numbers are now: > param: r2a_err, with err: 0.48131663, compared to MC: 0.49354342, with 600 > boot 0.00000000 > param: dw_err, with err: 117.99734537, compared to MC: 0.32813703, with 600 > boot 0.00000000 > param: k_AB_err, with err: 0.64606994, compared to MC: 0.65384783, with 600 > boot 0.00000000 > > So, something is right, and something is really wrong. > > It is clear, that the reported error estimation scales with the error. > > So, either one should start with simulations from peak intensity and then > forward. > Or, maybe the use of errors are wrong. > > There are some rules for how errors can be added together. > If they are a product, then the fractional errors can be summed together. > > But, I have to look into this. > > task #7824(https://gna.org/task/index.php?7824): Model parameter ERROR > estimation from Jacobian and Co-variance matrix of dispersion models. > > Modified: > branches/est_par_error/test_suite/system_tests/relax_disp.py > > Modified: branches/est_par_error/test_suite/system_tests/relax_disp.py > URL: > http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/relax/branches/est_par_error/test_suite/system_tests/relax_disp.py?rev=25526&r1=25525&r2=25526&view=diff > ============================================================================== > --- branches/est_par_error/test_suite/system_tests/relax_disp.py > (original) > +++ branches/est_par_error/test_suite/system_tests/relax_disp.py Tue > Sep 2 03:06:02 2014 > @@ -41,12 +41,13 @@ > from pipe_control.minimise import assemble_scaling_matrix > from specific_analyses.relax_disp.checks import check_missing_r1 > from specific_analyses.relax_disp.estimate_r2eff import estimate_par_err, > estimate_r2eff > -from specific_analyses.relax_disp.data import average_intensity, > check_intensity_errors, generate_r20_key, get_curve_type, > has_exponential_exp_type, has_r1rho_exp_type, loop_exp_frq, > loop_exp_frq_offset, loop_exp_frq_offset_point, > loop_exp_frq_offset_point_time, loop_time, return_grace_file_name_ini, > return_param_key_from_data, spin_ids_to_containers > +from specific_analyses.relax_disp.data import average_intensity, > check_intensity_errors, generate_r20_key, get_curve_type, > has_exponential_exp_type, has_r1rho_exp_type, is_r1_optimised, loop_exp_frq, > loop_exp_frq_offset, loop_exp_frq_offset_point, > loop_exp_frq_offset_point_time, loop_point, loop_time, return_cpmg_frqs, > return_grace_file_name_ini, return_param_key_from_data, > spin_ids_to_containers, return_offset_data, return_r1_data, > return_r1_err_data, return_r2eff_arrays, return_spin_lock_nu1 > from specific_analyses.relax_disp.data import INTERPOLATE_DISP, > INTERPOLATE_OFFSET, X_AXIS_DISP, X_AXIS_W_EFF, X_AXIS_THETA, Y_AXIS_R2_R1RHO, > Y_AXIS_R2_EFF > from specific_analyses.relax_disp.model import models_info, nesting_param > -from specific_analyses.relax_disp.parameters import linear_constraints > +from specific_analyses.relax_disp.parameters import assemble_param_vector, > linear_constraints, param_num > from specific_analyses.relax_disp.variables import EXP_TYPE_CPMG_DQ, > EXP_TYPE_CPMG_MQ, EXP_TYPE_CPMG_PROTON_MQ, EXP_TYPE_CPMG_PROTON_SQ, > EXP_TYPE_CPMG_SQ, EXP_TYPE_CPMG_ZQ, EXP_TYPE_LIST, EXP_TYPE_R1RHO, > MODEL_B14_FULL, MODEL_CR72, MODEL_CR72_FULL, MODEL_DPL94, MODEL_IT99, > MODEL_LIST_ANALYTIC_CPMG, MODEL_LIST_FULL, MODEL_LIST_NUMERIC_CPMG, > MODEL_LM63, MODEL_M61, MODEL_M61B, MODEL_MP05, MODEL_NOREX, > MODEL_NS_CPMG_2SITE_3D_FULL, MODEL_NS_CPMG_2SITE_EXPANDED, > MODEL_NS_CPMG_2SITE_STAR_FULL, MODEL_NS_R1RHO_2SITE, MODEL_NS_R1RHO_3SITE, > MODEL_NS_R1RHO_3SITE_LINEAR, MODEL_PARAMS, MODEL_R2EFF, MODEL_TP02, > MODEL_TAP03, PARAMS_R20 > from status import Status; status = Status() > +from target_functions.relax_disp import Dispersion > from test_suite.system_tests.base_classes import SystemTestCase > > # C modules. > @@ -7377,6 +7378,38 @@ > my_dic = {} > spin_id_list = [] > > + # Set algorithm. > + min_algor = 'simplex' > + constraints = True > + if constraints: > + min_options = ('%s'%(min_algor),) > + min_algor = 'Log barrier' > + #min_algor = 'Method of Multipliers' > + scaling_matrix = assemble_scaling_matrix(scaling=True) > + > + # Collect spins > + all_spin_ids = [] > + for cur_spin, mol_name, resi, resn, spin_id in > spin_loop(full_info=True, return_id=True, skip_desel=True): > + all_spin_ids.append(spin_id) > + > + spins = spin_ids_to_containers(all_spin_ids[:1]) > + > + # Get constraints > + A, b = linear_constraints(spins=spins, > scaling_matrix=scaling_matrix[0]) > + else: > + min_options = () > + A, b = None, None > + > + > + sim_boot = 2 > + > + # Number of spectrometer fields. > + fields = [None] > + field_count = 1 > + if hasattr(cdp, 'spectrometer_frq_count'): > + fields = cdp.spectrometer_frq_list > + field_count = cdp.spectrometer_frq_count > + > # Get the data. > for cur_spin, mol_name, resi, resn, spin_id in > spin_loop(full_info=True, return_id=True, skip_desel=True): > # Add key to dic. > @@ -7392,6 +7425,10 @@ > # Generate spin string. > spin_string = generate_spin_string(spin=cur_spin, > mol_name=mol_name, res_num=resi, res_name=resn) > > + # Get the param_vector > + param_vector = assemble_param_vector(spins=[cur_spin]) > + model = cur_spin.model > + > param_key_list = [] > for exp_type, frq, offset, ei, mi, oi, in > loop_exp_frq_offset(return_indices=True): > # Get the parameter key. > @@ -7418,6 +7455,73 @@ > param_err_val = deepcopy(getattr(cur_spin, > param_err)) > my_dic[spin_id][param_key][param_err] = param_err_val > > + # Start boot strap. > + values, errors, missing, frqs, frqs_H, exp_types, > relax_times = return_r2eff_arrays(spins=[cur_spin], spin_ids=[spin_id], > fields=fields, field_count=field_count) > + # The offset data. > + offsets, spin_lock_fields_inter, chemical_shifts, > tilt_angles, Delta_omega, w_eff = return_offset_data(spins=[cur_spin], > spin_ids=[spin_id], field_count=field_count) > + > + # r1 data. > + r1 = return_r1_data(spins=[cur_spin], spin_ids=[spin_id], > field_count=field_count) > + r1_err = return_r1_err_data(spins=[cur_spin], > spin_ids=[spin_id], field_count=field_count) > + r1_fit = is_r1_optimised(model) > + model_param_num = param_num(spins=[cur_spin]) > + > + dispersion_points = cdp.dispersion_points > + cpmg_frqs = return_cpmg_frqs(ref_flag=False) > + spin_lock_nu1 = return_spin_lock_nu1(ref_flag=False) > + num_spins=1 > + > + values_err = deepcopy(values) > + si = 0 > + r2a_sim_l = [] > + dw_sim_l = [] > + k_AB_sim_l = [] > + > + for j in range(sim_boot): > + if j in range(0, 1000, 10): > + print("Simulation %i"%j) > + # Start minimisation. > + > + # Produce errors > + r2_err = [] > + for j, error in enumerate(errors[ei][si][mi][oi]): > + r2_error = gauss(values[ei][si][mi][oi][j], error) > + #print values[ei][si][mi][oi][j], r2_error, error > + values_err[ei][si][mi][oi][j] = deepcopy(r2_error) > + > + # Init the Dispersion clas with data, so we can call > functions in it. > + tfunc = Dispersion(model=model, > num_params=model_param_num, num_spins=num_spins, num_frq=field_count, > exp_types=exp_types, values=values_err, errors=errors, missing=missing, > frqs=frqs, frqs_H=frqs_H, cpmg_frqs=cpmg_frqs, spin_lock_nu1=spin_lock_nu1, > chemical_shifts=chemical_shifts, offset=offsets, tilt_angles=tilt_angles, > r1=r1, relax_times=relax_times, r1_fit=r1_fit) > + results = generic_minimise(func=tfunc.func, args=(), > x0=param_vector, min_algor=min_algor, min_options=min_options, A=A, b=b, > full_output=True, print_flag=0) > + param_vector, chi2, iter_count, f_count, g_count, > h_count, warning = results > + print chi2, warning > + > + # Loop over params. > + for i, param in enumerate(params): > + # If param in PARAMS_R20, values are stored in with > parameter key. > + if param in PARAMS_R20: > + # Get the error. > + param_val = deepcopy(getattr(cur_spin, > param)[param_key]) > + r2a_sim_l.append(param_val) > + > + else: > + # Get the error. > + param_val = deepcopy(getattr(cur_spin, param)) > + if param == 'dw': > + dw_sim_l.append(param_val) > + elif param == 'k_AB': > + k_AB_sim_l.append(param_val) > + > + # Get stats on distribution. > + sigma_r2a_sim = std(asarray(r2a_sim_l), ddof=1) > + sigma_dw_sim = std(asarray(dw_sim_l), ddof=1) > + sigma_k_AB_sim = std(asarray(k_AB_sim_l), ddof=1) > + my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_r2a_sim'] = sigma_r2a_sim > + my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_dw_sim'] = sigma_dw_sim > + my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_k_AB_sim'] = sigma_k_AB_sim > + my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_r2a_arr'] = > asarray(r2a_sim_l) > + my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_dw_arr'] = > asarray(dw_sim_l) > + my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_k_AB_arr'] = > asarray(k_AB_sim_l) > + > my_dic[spin_id]['param_key_list'] = param_key_list > > # After Monte-Carlo. > @@ -7456,11 +7560,14 @@ > param_key_list = my_dic[spin_id]['param_key_list'] > for param_key in param_key_list: > params_err = my_dic[spin_id]['params_err'] > + params = my_dic[spin_id]['params'] > # Loop over params. > for i, param_err in enumerate(params_err): > + param = params[i] > param_err_val = my_dic[spin_id][param_key][param_err] > param_err_val_mc = > my_dic[spin_id][param_key][param_err+'MC'] > - print("param: %s, with err: %3.8f, compared to MC: > %3.8f" % (param_err, param_err_val, param_err_val_mc) ) > + param_err_val_sim = > my_dic[spin_id][param_key]['sigma_%s_sim'%param] > + print("param: %s, with err: %3.8f, compared to MC: > %3.8f, with %i boot %3.8f" % (param_err, param_err_val, param_err_val_mc, > sim_boot, param_err_val_sim) ) > > > def test_tp02_data_to_ns_r1rho_2site(self, model=None): > > > _______________________________________________ > relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com) > > This is the relax-commits mailing list > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this list, get a password > reminder, or change your subscription options, > visit the list information page at > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-commits _______________________________________________ relax (http://www.nmr-relax.com) This is the relax-devel mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, visit the list information page at https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-devel
