I think that the response to Tom's argument -- "If they are simply speech, then there 
is absolutely no basis for the widespread (though certainly not uniform) sense that 
the mayors are going outside the law and that their practice of performing same-sex 
marriages ought to be stopped until the constitutionality of the current statutory 
exclusion of same-sex marriages can be decided in the courts" -- is two-fold.
 
First, as I've argued, the clergy's statements, express and implied, in conducting the 
ceremony aren't "I have the legal power to do this," but "If the law were just, I 
would have the legal power to do this."  By flouting the law and claiming power that 
everyone knows they don't have, they are simply expressing an opinion about the 
injustice of being denied this power.  The flouting of the law is thus protected by 
the First Amendment.
 
Nonetheless, I suspect that many people think that actual government officials (as 
opposed to clergy, public university professors, and others who may have some 
delegated government power but who aren't really seen as government officials) 
shouldn't flout the law even when the First Amendment allows them to do so:  They 
should express respect for the law even when they disagree with it, and flouting it 
this way is disrespectful.  What's more, perhaps such disrespect is indeed 
justification enough even for an injunction against the official's speech -- despite 
Bond v. Floyd, I'm not sure that the rules related to a government official's speech 
are fully well-defined.  (Cf. Kennedy's hint in Republican Party v. White, the 
judicial speech case from 2002, that these rules might perhaps sometimes be different 
from the rules applicable to a private citizen.) 
 
Second, as I've argued before, I think the ministers' actions are constitutionally 
protected precisely because everyone knows that same-sex marriages aren't legally 
recognized.  When that's so, the ministers' saying "By the authority vested in me by 
the state of New York, I now pronounce you married" -- if that's what they say, or if 
their conduct is tantamount to saying -- will be understood by everyone an expression 
of opinion about what the law should be, not what it is.  All that's going on then is 
(1) constitutionally protected expression of opinion, (2) a religious ceremony, and 
(3) two people undertaking a moral but legally unenforceable obligation, which should 
be protected as an exercise of the right of intimate association (and in any case 
isn't, according to the New York prosecutor, itself the problem, because the moral 
obligation is just as present in religious ceremonies, which the prosecutor stresses 
he isn't going after).
 
But the widespread belief to which Tom refers might rest in part on the assumption 
that a mayor's conduct wouldn't be quite so clearly lacking in effect on government 
action.  Sure, it can't make the marriage legal; but it might make city employees 
think twice about whether they can just ignore a marriage conducted by the mayor when 
deciding whether to accept some filed papers, or whether to give insurance benefits to 
a city employee's putative spouse, or whether to give the putative spouse the normal 
spousal visiting privileges at a city hospital.  The employee might be fairly 
confident that the marriage is illegal -- but be reluctant to ignore his boss's own 
actions.  This is less true of marriages conducted by city clerks, but even so a 
low-level employee may be reluctant to reject the actions of a high-level employee.
 
I can't claim that these are remotely open-and-shut arguments; perhaps the widespread 
assumption is incorrect, and judges should simply issue opinions that make clear that 
same-sex marriages are invalid, and that when a mayor is conducting them, he's just 
conducting an unofficial ceremony (like a purely religious ceremony, though one that 
may not have a religious component but instead be merely morally and personally 
obligatory on the parties rather than also being religiously obligatory).  But if the 
assumption is correct, I think it's because the mayor is really different from the 
clergy in these respects, not because the clergy should be equally restrictable (or 
even enjoinable).
 
Eugene
 

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Berg, Thomas C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Wed 3/17/2004 8:49 PM 
        To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics 
        Cc: 
        Subject: RE: UU ministers arrested
        
        
        As a matter of wisdom, I don't like these prosecutions of clergy much more 
than Marty does.  We ought always to be concerned when clergy are prosecuted for doing 
core clergy-type things such as performing marriage- or marriage-like ceremonies.  But 
whether the prosecutions are unconstitutional poses a complicated question, which to 
me seems worth discussing as a matter of intellectual exchange on our list.  I won't 
post much more about it, since a lot of the issues Eugene raised in the message below 
have already been explored in posts today.  Here's one remaining question, however.
         
        Unless we distinguish somehow between the mayors' and the clergy's acts, isn't 
there a problem with saying these acts are simply speech.  If they are simply speech, 
then there is absolutely no basis for the widespread (though certainly not uniform) 
sense that the mayors are going outside the law and that their practice of performing 
same-sex marriages ought to be stopped until the constitutionality of the current 
statutory exclusion of same-sex marriages can be decided in the courts.  Likewise, if 
what the mayors are doing is merely speech, then the California Supreme Court's 
(temporary) order to San Francisco's mayor to stop performing marriages is a blatant 
and plainly invalid prior restraint.  Was that even argued in the California courts?  
Or did the parties pretty much assume that what the mayor did was more than just 
speech?  And if so, how is the mayor different than the clergy?
         
        I doubt that this particular question can be answered satisfactorily by saying 
that the mayor is a government employee, as Eugene argued earlier (below).  Even 
though a government employee's speech can be regulated more than a private person's 
can, my sense is that this does not provide sufficient justification for prior 
restraints against government employees' speech, at least not without exceptional 
circumstances.  Snepp v. United States, which upheld a prior restraint against a 
former CIA employee who had signed an agreement authorizing the government to review 
any book he planned to publish, is, it seems to me, the exception that proves the rule.
         
        Is the mayor different because he has issued licenses -- and that act, not the 
act of solemnizing, is what can constitutionally be prohibited?  But the fundamental 
thing that the mayor does with the license is to sign it, right -- and isn't signing 
also simply a form of expression?  And if the clergy likewise sign a legal document, 
as the story Marty quotes suggests, then again what's the difference?  Is signing a 
legal document -- license, affidavit, whatever -- part of the act of "solemnizing"? 
         
        Tom Berg
        University of St. Thomas School of Law (Minnesota)
         
         

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