Certainly social reform is coming, but it's already taking a certain form. The movement toward same-sex unions is pretty clearly proceeding down the track of expanding our conception of government marriage, rather than removing the government from marriage. Such a dramatic shift in the object of reform efforts at this stage would require reorienting the entire movement, and the impetus for the reorientation is not obvious. Further, pushing marriage back to religious (and non-religious) mediating communities is not going to erase the culture war tension surrounding the issue. As we see in a variety of contexts, suggesting that the state retreat from contests over religiously shaped conceptions of the good can prove immensely unpopular. Especially in the post-Roe environment, many religious voices (most prominently, but of course not exclusively, evangelicals) are not going to retreat into their respective corners, content to maintain marriage as a religiously pure, but legally marginalized, subculture practice. (In theological terms, the work of Richard John Neuhaus has a much wider following than the work of Stanley Hauerwas.) To be clear, I think it's an attractive idea. I just don't see how it's going to happen. Rob Vischer
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steven Jamar Sent: Tue 3/15/2005 5:57 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Subject: Re: Rights of clergy regarding same-sex marriage? On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, at 04:44 PM, James Maule wrote: > What major social reform effectuated through legal change was NOT a > political non-starter when it first was proposed? "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it s the only thing that ever has." Margaret Meade > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/15/2005 3:12:30 PM >>> > > The idea of cleanly separating religious > marriage from state-recognized relationship is appealing, but a > political non-starter, in my view. > > Rob Vischer > -- Prof. Steven D. Jamar vox: 202-806-8017 Howard University School of Law fax: 202-806-8428 2900 Van Ness Street NW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC 20008 http://www.law.howard.edu/faculty/pages/jamar "God, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, courage to change the things which should be changed, and the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other." Reinhold Neibuhr 1943 _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
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