I second Paul's concern. Frank
On 12/13/05 7:37 AM, "Paul Finkelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if Mr. Darby's anti-Semitic self-promotion really belongs on > this list serve? > > Larry Darby wrote: > >> Thank you to all who have expressed an interest in restoring good >> government to Alabama - and the United States of America, for Americans >> for a change! >> >> Those persons who want to stay abreast of current events dealing with >> our Zionist-Occupied Government and other current events regarding the >> global endeavors of traditional enemies of Free Speech, I am proprietor >> of the Atheist Daily News, the publication of record for the community >> of reason. >> >> A year's subscription is only $52.00 and may be mailed to Atheist Daily >> News, P O Box 3722, Montgomery, AL 36109. >> >> I am no longer an officer of the Atheist Law Center, Inc. but it, too, >> has a daily publication, the Atheist Daily Briefing. Those wishing to >> subscribe to it may do so by going to this link: >> http://www.atheistlaw.org/news-subscribe.cfm. It is edited by John >> Nielsen of Jackson, Mississippi. >> >> There is little overlap of stories covered. Some people get both >> publications. >> >> You may also make a tax deductible contribution to the Center by >> clicking on the "Donate" icon at the top of the web page. >> >> Thank you all for your interest and continued support for the >> constitutional principle of separation between religion and government >> (not the misguided "separation of church and state" response to >> politically correct preferentialism or government accommodation of >> non-Christian religion). >> >> Larry Darby >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Darby >> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:23 PM >> To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' >> Subject: RE: A note about the Atheist Legal Center, or at least its >> founder >> >> Eugene, thanks for the publicity! My campaign address is: >> >> Larry Darby for Attorney General >> P O Box 3722 >> Montgomery, AL 36109 >> >> There is no limit on contributions from individuals. >> >> Larry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene >> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:11 PM >> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics >> Subject: A note about the Atheist Legal Center, or at least its founder >> >> Since people on this list specialize in the law of government >> and religion, they might be interested in the activities of the Atheist >> Legal Center, and might even be inclined to work together with them on >> some matters. (I would have been one such, on certain subjects.) >> >> Given this, I thought I'd pass along an item I posted about the >> Atheist Legal Center's former president and Alabama Attorney General >> candidate Larry Darby -- who, by coincidence, has also participated on >> this list. Mr. Darby has stepped down as the head of the Center in >> order to run for AG, so perhaps his replacement does not share the views >> I describe below. On the other hand, his having been involved in the >> group, and the Center's having hosted David Irving while Mr. Darby was >> president, makes me concerned about the group more broadly. >> >> http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_12_11-2005_12_17.shtml#113441423 >> 9 >> >> [Eugene Volokh, December 12, 2005 at 2:03pm] 0 Trackbacks / Possibly >> More Trackbacks >> Leading Atheist Legal Activist and Candidate for Alabama Attorney >> General >> >> Has Some Rather Interesting Views About Jews, Zionism, and the >> Holocaust: Larry Darby is apparently a pretty prominent atheist legal >> activist. He was the president of the Atheist Legal Center (though he >> has since stepped down to run for public office); filed amicus briefs in >> the Supreme Court's Ten Commandments cases on behalf of various atheist >> groups and also on behalf of Scouting for All; ran the Alabama chapter >> of American Atheists; got the Atheist of the Year award from American >> Atheists; has been quoted in various newspapers, mostly in Alabama but >> also elsewhere; and has appeared on various television programs in >> connection with his opposition to Judge Roy Moore's actions related to >> the Ten Commandments. Darby is now running in the June 2006 Democratic >> primary for Alabama Attorney General - I suspect that he has little >> chance of winning, but I take it that he'll want to use the race as a >> platform for expressing his various views, which include juvenile law >> reform and decriminalization of marijuana. >> >> Mr. Darby also (1) apparently wrote that "David Duke is right on with >> the problem of Zionism and the Zionist-Occupied Government we live >> under," (2) seems quite interested in whether media representatives who >> contact him about such matters are Jewish, and (3) was substantially >> involved in organizing a speech by noted Holocaust denier David Irving. >> >> I first heard about this when an acquaintance of mine e-mailed me an >> exchange that included Mr. Darby's "Zionist-Occupied Government" quote. >> I then e-mailed Mr. Darby to verify the quote. (I had and still have no >> reason to question my correspondent's veracity, but I thought that >> checking would be a good idea.) The closest Mr. Darby came to denying >> the accuracy of the quote is when he eventually said - after an exchange >> of several e-mails - "Know that what you sent to me as represented by >> [my correspondent] is not authentic," which seemed to me like a somewhat >> coy way of addressing whether Mr. Darby indeed said the >> "Zionist-Occupied Government" item. >> >> I then followed up by asking "My question was simply whether you did or >> did not e-mail the text I asked you about. Did you or didn't you?" He >> didn't respond to that question, but instead insisted that I tell him >> whether I was a Zionist and a Trotskyite. Mr. Darby's e-mails to me also >> included the following, which further leads me to think that my >> correspondent indeed accurately quoted the "Zionist-Occupied Government" >> line: >> >> [F]or the record, Dr. David Duke does offer insight into the >> neoconservative or Trotskyist government in Washington, DC. Some of what >> he has been saying for years is bearing out in the news today. Have you >> ever read anything of Duke's your self? I'm sure he'd talk to you. Write >> him at www.davidduke.com and find out for yourself. And read what he >> really says for yourself, without relying on what Jewish Supremacists >> say about him. >> >> Have you been keeping up with all the Zionists (Jews and >> Jewish-Christians) being arrested by the FBI? I know it hasn't made >> mainstream media, but it is happening and expectations are that when >> Kidan turns evidence against Uber-Zionist Abramoff, some other members >> of Congress might be indicted. Those are only two of several people >> arrested. >> >> If you aren't keeping up with those issues, then likely you won't be >> able to understand that Dr. Duke knows what he's talking about when it >> comes to Jewish Supremacism and Zionism. . . . >> >> Earlier in the exchange, Mr. Darby had also asked me whether I was a >> "MOT," which he later elaborated to "MOT refers to Member of Tribe. In >> other words, are you a Jew?" A quick Internet search revealed to me Mr. >> Darby's invitation of Larry Irving. >> >> * * * >> >> It seems to me very important that irreligious people participate in >> public debate, to defend the legitimacy of their views, and to protect >> themselves against religious discrimination and hostility. I don't agree >> with everything that all atheist activists urge; for instance, I don't >> think that the Establishment Clause is properly interpreted as banning >> religious speech by the government. Nonetheless, there are indeed some >> egregious forms of discrimination against the irreligious (or the less >> religious), for instance in child custody cases - these should be >> assiduously fought. >> >> Moreover, there seems to be a great deal of hostility to atheists among >> the public: A July 7, 2005 Roper Center poll, for instance, asked people >> about their views of various religious and political grounds, and >> whether "your overall opinion of [the group] is very favorable, mostly >> favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable?" For Catholics, the >> total unfavorable percentage was 14%; for Jews, 7%; for "Evangelical >> Christians," 19%; for "Muslim Americans," 25%; for "Atheists, that is, >> people who don't believe in God," it was 50%, including 28% "very >> unfavorable" (only 35% said they had either a "very favorable" or >> "mostly favorable" view of atheists). Such religious hostility, it seems >> to me, should also be fought (though of course through argument rather >> than litigation). Anti-atheist bias is no more justifiable than >> anti-Jewish bias. >> >> I therefore have nothing at all against atheist political movements in >> general, nor do I have any reason to believe that atheists generally >> have any hostility towards Jews, or affection for David Duke. Yet this >> makes it all the more important, it seems to me, for atheists who are >> deciding whom to ally themselves with - or for that matter, for members >> of other groups, such as Scouting for All or any marijuana >> decriminalization groups - to know Mr. Darby's views that I describe >> above, views with which I hope most atheists much disagree. Likewise, >> Alabama Democrats should know who's running in their primary, and should >> keep in mind the views I note above, even if some of them are tempted to >> agree with him on marijuana decriminalization, juvenile justice, or even >> religion in public life. (I doubt there are that many Alabama Democrats >> who do agree with him on those latter issues, but I imagine there are >> some.) >> >> And it's also important for Jews - even in America, the place in the >> world in which it is probably safest to be a Jew - to be reminded that >> these sorts of views do exist in America, and in what might to many seem >> like quite unlikely circles. >> _______________________________________________ >> To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see >> http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw >> >> Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as >> private. 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