My view is simple, and, I would think, quite consistent with First Amendment principles: (1) Otherwise protected speech can't be regulated because it's "outrageous," and (2) there's no new First Amendment exception for outrageous speech that causes severe emotional distress. This means that nonspeech conduct can constitutionally form the basis of the IIED tort, and so can speech that falls within an unprotected category (such as false statements of fact, cf. Hustler v. Falwell, and threats, so long as the jury is instructed to limit its outrageousness judgment to such speech, and exclude otherwise protected speech). Likewise, if there is a First Amendment exception for harassing telephone calls (a matter to which the Supreme Court hasn't spoken, see White's dissent in Gormley [1980?]), such speech could form the basis of liability, too, because it would fit within the new hypothetical exception. I suppose that in principle speech that is prohibited by a constitutional content-neutral statute could also form the basis of an IIED action, though I think it would be clearer to have the statute authorize civil remedies. But if speech is otherwise protected -- if the courts haven't gone through the First Amendment analysis that would justify concluding that the speech should lack First Amendment protections -- then, no, I wouldn't leave its continuing protection to a jury applying the broad and vague outrageousness standard. Finally, as to stalking, I would want to know exactly what the prohibition involved is. Some are obviously constitutional, if they apply only to nonspeech conduct and unprotected speech. Any that are framed in terms of "emotional stalking" would be pretty obviously unconstitutional on vagueness grounds. (To my knowledge they aren't framed that way, but that helps show the difficulty of answering questions that are focused on a vague term such as "emotional stalking.") Others may pose a harder call. But if they deserve to be upheld, they deserve to be upheld without reference to the IIED tort -- some might not need to be limited to behavior that's "outrageous" (even some non-outrageous stalking behavior might be properly punishable), some might be unconstitutional even if they're limited to outrageous behavior, and all should use more precise terms than "outrageous" (as they tend to do, whatever their flaws). Eugene
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Jamar Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:00 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: The trouble with IIED liability here If I understand Eugene correctly, intentional infliction of emotional distress can never be constitutional unless what causes the distress is pure conduct. So if there are a series of late night phone calls, then there is speech and so there can be no IIED liability. Even if the calls are just of the "you effing whore" variety -- protected profanity -- not fighting words. I suppose conduct like intentionally almost running someone over but swerving away at the last minute would be excluded, even for Eugene. But short of that, these cases always have some speech And what of stalkers? Can't regulate them either? So Eugene, do I have it right? If so, under what circumstances, if ever, would you allow this rarely invoked tort? OR limit stalkers who do both physical and emotional stalking? Steve -- Prof. Steven D. Jamar vox: 202-806-8017 Howard University School of Law fax: 202-806-8567 2900 Van Ness Street NW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC 20008 http://iipsj.com/SDJ/ "If we are to receive full service from government, the universities must give us trained [people]. That means a constant reorientation of university instruction and research not for the mere purpose of increasing technical proficiency but for the purpose of keeping abreast with social and economic change. . . . Government is no better than its [people]." William O. Douglas _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.