My answers here should also be informed by Marty's sensible third category of likely regret.  But I'll limit myself to the two categories I tried to outline in my earlier post.

        (1) Tattooing:  I don't like tattoos.  I actually often find myself physically repulsed by them.  My own religion forbids them.  But if parents had a serious religious reason for tattooing their underage child (note that I'm limiting myself here to religious reasons), I would not want the state to intervene unless the tattooing were of a sort that involved severe pain or was likely to have genuinely harmful long-term physical, psychological, or sociological consequences for the child. 

        (2) Sterliziation:  The state could reasonably conclude that forcibly sterilizing a child produces the grave harm of eliminating that child's ability to make future reproductive choices.  Here, the issue of competent consent is inextricably tied up with the procedure.  Adults who have themselves sterilized are making a reproductive choice; children who are sterilized without their consent are deprived of all future such choices. 

        (3) Pregnancy:  It does seem to me that society could reasonably conclude that pregnancy by a 14-year-old is developmentally inappropriate for both physical and psychological reasons.  To be sure, we should respect the kid's autonomous rights in this context, at least to the extent of, for example, not allowing either the state or the kid's parents to force her to have an abortion.  But, as Eugene emphasizes, that doesn't mean that we do or should "excuse" the culpable role that others might play in getting the kid pregnant.

        Obviously, one of the issues in all these comparisons is my sense that circumcision is not as big a deal as some would suggest.  Apart from its religious significance for many folks, it does seem to have serious health benefits, including but limited to helping to prevent HIV infection, which is why there's a major campaign in parts of Africa to have as many men as possible sterilized.  Moreover, it clearly does not eliminate sexual sensitivity or gratification, or even reduce it to the extent that millions upon millions of circumcised men are heard lamenting their fate.  Indeed, the jury is out as to whether it has any real effect on sexual sensitivity or gratification at all.  And even if it did lead to some small reduction in sheer physical sensitivity, that would strike me as only dubiously relevant:  it assumes that the quality of sex is tied in a purely linear way to the quantity of a particular physical stimulus. 

        Add to all this the point I made earlier:  To the extent that the act of circumcision itself is potentially disturbing or physically complicated for the one being circumcised, that's much more true for adults than for eight-day-year-old baby boys. 

        Let me, though, throw out a hypothetical of my own.  Say that baby is born with a very large and very visible and, by most lights, unsightly mole on his or her face.  The mole poses no health risk to the child.  But it is very ugly.  The doctors tell the parents that they can remove the mole completely with very little risk to the child.  Having the mole removed as an adult would be possible, but somewhat more complicated.  In any event, if the procedure were put off, the child would grow up with the mole still on his or her face.

        The parents decide to have the mole removed (1) for aesthetic reasons and/or (2) because they're concerned that the sense of social identity or psychological health of the child will be impaired if they do not have the mole removed.

        Should the state intervene in this decision?  Should it be entitled to?  Would these parents' aesthetic and psychological concerns be more worthy of respect than the religious motives of parents who have their baby boys circumcised?  Should it matter that the aesthetic judgment of the mole is culture-specific, or that in some other cultures such a mole would actually be thought to be a mark of great beauty?

        If a response to this hypo is that circumcision is different from mole-removal because it cuts off a sexually sensitive part of the body, then I can tweak the hypo slightly to assume the mole removal (1) will have a minimal negative consequence such as, say, ever-so-slightly blunting the kid's sense of smell, and (2) it will also have some positive medical consequences, such as reducing the risk of certain sorts of infections, and I can further assume that the parents, taking into account these facts in addition to their aesthetic and psychological concerns, still go ahead with asking the doctors to remove the mole.  I'm not sure these tweaks change the equation very much.

        If, though, the answer is that circumcision is different simply because moles are "defects" while foreskins are natural parts of the male human body, that reaction would strike me as just physically essentialist.  What if the aformentioned mole weren't all that rare, but actually appeared on 5% of babies, but almost all parents in a given culture (or religion) whose baby fell into that 5% group nevertheless decided to have it removed?  What if it appeared on 20% of babies?  40%?  75%?  99.99999%?  At what point would the mole stop being a "defect" and turn into a "natural" feature whose removal should be left to the kid to decide when he or she becomes an adult?  (I'm not being flippantly post-modern here.  We should indeed be essentialist about lots of physical features.  I would gladly let the state override a parent's decision, even if grounded on religious beliefs, to remove one of a baby's kidneys or lungs or limbs.  But neither moles nor foreskins are like kidneys, lungs, or limbs.)

                                            Perry


From: "Volokh, Eugene" <vol...@law.ucla.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:21:04 -0700

                I would think that a distinction between physical alteration of a child's body and other actions would indeed be a sensible one (though not always a dispositive one), and one that is consistent with our general view that physical alteration of another's body is an especially serious intrusion on that person.  But let me ask Perry what he thinks of these hypotheticals:
 
                (1)  California law, as best I can tell, categorically bans all tattooing of under-18-year-olds.  Let's go back to a time when tattoos were essentially permanent.  Would parents nonetheless have a constitutional right -- just as the exercise of their parental rights -- to tattoo a child, especially one too young to have a view on the subject?  Or could the state say that this is a decision that should be left to the person whose body this actually is, at a time when the person can make the decision?
 
                (2)  Say that parents decide to sterilize their child, perhaps because they believe that either God or Gaea doesn't want more children to be born on the planet, or perhaps because they have some genetic condition that they do not want the child to risk spreading.  (Set aside the special case when the child is mentally retarded, unable or unwilling to use contraceptives, and unlikely to ever be able to make an informed decision about sterilization.)  Do parents have a constitutional right to do this, or should this be left for the child to decide when he or she becomes an adult?  I take it that whatever one might say of sterilization, one wouldn't say that it is necessarily an "unquestionably grave harm, physical or psychological"; quite a few sane adults choose to be sterilized.  Of course it may be an unquestionably grave harm when done without the subject’s informed consent; but why wouldn’t removal of a functioning and an apparently quite sexually sensitive part of the body likewise be seen as a sufficiently grave harm?  (Or is the point simply that it is “questionabl[e]” whether the removal really does affect sexual sensitivity?)
 
                (3)  Say that parents have a doctor perform an artificial insemination of their 14-year-old daughter, with the daughter’s agreement; assume the daughter is sufficiently sexually mature that the pregnancy poses no medical risk.  (There’s also no sex involved, so it isn’t a statutory rape question.)  Perhaps one of the parents is dying and wants the experience of being a grandparent as quickly as possible, or perhaps they take “be fruitful and multiply” to mean “as soon as possible.”  I take it having a baby, even at 14, is not as such an “unquestionably grave harm, physical or psychological”; and I don’t think the problem here is really that pregnancy is not “developmentally appropriate” as such.  Rather, it seems to me that it’s reasonable for the state to say that the decision about whether and when (and with what sperm) to become a parent is a decision that should optimally be made by an adult, or at least by someone older than 14.  (While of course the 14-year-old could get pregnant the old-fashioned way, assume the law also prohibits that, by making it statutory rape on the man’s part, and by making any adults who facilitate or encourage such an action accessories to statutory rape.)
 
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