I'm the moderator only for conlawprof, and Eugene may have a different suggestion for the religionlaw list, but may I strongly recommend that list posts not be quoted, and positions taken on the list not be attributed, without permission of the poster. I think that is a matter of courtesy, and it's also been our custom. No one can control what non-members may do with the archives, but we are a kind of community. The poster also may have made the point somewhere in print; if you ask, they could give you the reference to cite, which provides multiple benefits.
Best, Mark Mark Scarberry Pepperdine University School of Law Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Gerber <s-ger...@onu.edu> Date: 08/02/2013 5:18 AM (GMT-07:00) To: "Gilbert, Lauren" <lgilb...@stu.edu> Cc: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>,Conlawprof <conlawp...@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Citations to Listserv posts/Contraception mandate My recollection is that years ago we were _not_ supposed to cite the listserv without permission, and when it was cited without permission on a couple of occasions there was some criticism for it. I mention this only for purposes of information. Scott On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gilbert, Lauren <lgilb...@stu.edu<mailto:lgilb...@stu.edu>> wrote: I agree, but I also think that as a matter of professional courtesy, one should let ones’ colleagues know if they are being cited for something said in an online discussion and to give them a chance to respond. I had this experience with one of my pieces several years ago, where I actually had sent a draft to a colleague who I had cited based on an online discussion on ImmProf, asking for feedback, but without specifically mentioning that I had cited her. I got this response back . . . . I received your email but unfortunately not the attachment. I recall seeing the note in one of the previous versions and assume the text leading to it hasn't changed. I have to admit that I was initially surprised to see it cited given that I take the listserv discussion to be "internal" among the listed participants but I fully understand that your intention was a good one and am therefore comfortable with granting permission to cite it in your forthcoming article. Since then, I have been religious (no pun intended) about letting people know if I am citing them from an online discussion, and giving them a chance to respond. I fully recognize that others may not show me the same courtesy, so when I post I do so at my own risk. Even though ImmProf is not public like the ConLaw listserv, there are folks who are with the Government as well as many lurkers who may have taught one course as an adjunct and stay on without saying anything. It’s not a question of must but should . . . . Lauren Gilbert, Esq. Professor of Law St. Thomas University School of Law 16401 NW 37th Ave. Miami Gardens, FL 33054 Tel: (305) 623-2386<tel:%28305%29%20623-2386> (work) You can access my papers on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at http://ssrn.com/author=339800 From: conlawprof-boun...@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:conlawprof-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> [mailto:conlawprof-boun...@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:conlawprof-boun...@lists.ucla.edu>] On Behalf Of Shapiro, Carolyn Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 11:31 PM To: Robert Sheridan Cc: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; Conlawprof Subject: Re: Citations to Listserv posts/Contraception mandate I think it is essential to be able to cite listserv posts. If someone has posted something that has helped advance my thinking, it would be inappropriate not to cite them. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Robert Sheridan <r...@robertsheridan.com<mailto:r...@robertsheridan.com>> wrote: I figure that the right of free speech belongs to those having the courage to use it. If I'm going to be concerned that someone is going to quote me, I'm in more trouble than keeping my mouth shut. Wouldn't it be nice if any of us ever said anything quote-worthy, esp. yours truly. Of course, it helps, when speaking out in a public forum, to abandon any hope of public acceptance. The governor of California wants to know about all publications by candidates, especially those which might be controversial, when considering judicial applications, which I've never submitted. Ran once, but didn't apply, not respecting the governor sufficiently to ask a favor. Then there's this advisory at the end of each post, added by the machine handling Conlawprofs: "Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others." I look at this forum as a place to try out views, hoping that those more learned and experienced will advise where I've made a wrong turn, as has happened. rs On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Steven Jamar <stevenja...@gmail.com<mailto:stevenja...@gmail.com>> wrote: Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. 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