One caveat to Marty’s second point: Paul Clement quite pointedly would not 
concede that his clients would be comfortable with the nonprofit-style 
accommodation – which is of course being challenged by several nonprofit 
entities represented by Becket Fund, which also represents Hobby Lobby.

To be sure, it would be awkward for Hobby Lobby/Conestoga Wood to turn around 
and bring a RFRA challenge to the very accommodation that their lawyer 
identified at oral argument as a less-restrictive alternative – but we’ve seen 
stranger things in these contraception cases over the last two years.



On Mar 25, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Marty Lederman 
<lederman.ma...@gmail.com<mailto:lederman.ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:

is here:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/13-354_5436.pdf

Audio should be available later in the week.

I'd be curious to hear what others who attended thought of the argument.

I'll mention only three things of particular note:

First, several of the Justices, including Justice Kennedy, appeared to be at 
least somewhat sympathetic to the argument I've been stressing that the 
employers' religion might not be substantially burdened because they have the 
option of not offering a plan (which might well save them money).

Second, there appeared by the end of the argument to be a very real possibility 
of a judgment that the government must advance its interests through the less 
restrictive means of offering its secondary accommodation (payment required of 
the issuer or the TPA) to for-profit corporations, as well.  This idea seemed 
to have traction with Justices of varying perspectives, and neither advocate 
resisted it much -- indeed, Paul Clement appeared to go out of his way in 
rebuttal to encourage it, and to stress that he had hinted at it on page 58 of 
the Hobby Lobby brief.

Third, Justices Alito and Scalia tried to argue that RFRA goes much further 
than codifying the pre-Smith FEC doctrine . . . but I am very doubtful there 
are five votes for that.
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