Why don't they take the GROL license exam to prove what they know. The old Element 3 and 4 for the Commertial license was pretty much the telling factor for what you knew....before the Q&A manuals, where you could memorize the questions and answers....same with the Amateur licenses today.
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Mark > > The SBE needs to rethink the Amateur Certification For Extra . > The Extra is No longer the Same technically as it once was. > The SBE should Consider the Advanced Class For their Certification level > since it is No longer Given and anyone that has the Advanced can > really say it was the last > real technical Exam that the FCC gave. > anyone who now who passes the Extra. its Not the same as the old days > Its a joke.... > Might as well Buy one at the local five and dime store > > Flame suit now ON.. > Neal > > > Mark A. Holman wrote: > > > FYI I will say the State 2 way Tech in charge of the 800 Mhz system > > was passed to Extra some time back also SBE reconizes Extra Class as > > some good background in Broadcast Electronics, I am a SBE CRO tell > > you what that and the Television Operators Exam are pertty neat > > things like Meter readings in Killovolts, tower lighting requirements, > > Logging requirements some of it now is on a printer I dont think > > anyone will need to read a KV meter but its great info. > > > > BTW for anyone taking some DL classes in Electronics who want more > > out of it yes I would reccomend anyone besides never hurts to expand > > your knowledge! > > > > Im 50 and persuing a Degree myself in Electronics & enjoying it. > > > > mark h. > > > > > > Mathew Quaife wrote: > > > >> Hmmm, IGNORE IGNORANCE AND IT WILL GO AWAY!. It's like a Salary, > >> everyone get's paid the same, some work harder than others, but in > >> the end, it's the Salary that we are after. SO who cares if I work > >> harder than the guy next to me, it's what I agreed upon. > >> > >> So if I understand here, just because they took out the tubes section > >> of the GROL exam, does that mean the newer Techs are no good. Things > >> change. Ask them if they would prefer to drive the old car that got > >> 10 miles to the gallon, bet not. > >> > >> Oh Well. Get that license anyways and have fun. It's HAM RADIO! > >> > >> > >> Coy Hilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I have a question for you Nate, Why is that when a OLD Extra > >> mentions that they passed the 20 WPM exam that everyone who hasn't, > >> passed it jumps on them like they are child molesters? > >> > >> As long as a person passes what ever exam required at the time, they > >> are okay in my book for what ever class license that they have. I > >> just don't like people making remarks about people who have acheaved > >> something when they haven't. > >> > >> Elitist? No! Just proud of our acheavments. I proved to MYSELF that > >> I can do what ever I set my mind to. After all putting the old brain > >> to a project from time to time won't hurt anyone. I have done a lot > >> of things in my life just for the experiance of it. > >> > >> I haven't been on HF except for once a year for five or six years. > >> I own several repeaters VHF and UHF and support Echolink on them. I > >> enjoy the folks who I have met on Echolink Tech or Extra doesn't > >> matter to me I just like to talk and do a bit of rag chewing. > >> > >> 73 to all > >> AC0Y > >> > >> > >> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr wrote: > >> > > >> > jrinnebraska wrote: > >> > > >> > > One of the VE's commented that she was to be congratulated for > >> > > achieving the "Extra-Lite" class license, since she hadn't > >> gotten the > >> > > 20wpm. > >> > > >> > Ahh... I'm sorry, I just gotta get this out... my story of my run > >> in > >> > with an elitist idiot. > >> > > >> > (Side-note: I've had run ins with elitists who deserved to act > >> that way > >> > -- they were intelligent beyond their years and knew how to try to > >> keep > >> > their boredom with us "normal" people in check... and I understood > >> them > >> > to some extent... this story isn't about one of those people. > >> It's > >> > about a person with a really bad attitude.) > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > > >> > There's a VE group that tests 1 BLOCK from my house at a public > >> library. > >> > > >> > One day I figured I'd send them an e-mail and offer to help out if > >> they > >> > ever needed it. I could literally walk down the hill and be there > >> in 5 > >> > minutes, if I stopped to talk to the neighbors. It's that close. > >> > > >> > I logically thought that hey, they might need another qualified > >> Extra > >> > Class to help out from time to time... why not let them know I > >> live > >> > nearby? Maybe I'd even make it my Saturday morning activity... > >> walk to > >> > the library, give tests... why not? > >> > > >> > The head of the group sent back an e-mail that still curls my toes > >> to > >> > this day -- it started with "Hi there, I see from your call sign > >> that > >> > you must be a REAL Extra." > >> > > >> > And it got worse from there. > >> > > >> > Additionally, in his e-mail he pointed out that he needed someone > >> to "go > >> > stand in line to get the room every month" for the local library > >> > authority, to reserve the room, and... > >> > > >> > He also pointed out that they also give commercial radio tests and > >> if I > >> > wasn't interested in learning enough to pass and give those tests, > >> I > >> > wasn't needed. > >> > > >> > Then he continued on saying he was short of volunteers. Gee, I > >> wonder why? > >> > > >> > Well, I shared with him three things... > >> > > >> > For the record I'm a low-code Extra and I really don't give a damn > >> who > >> > cares. > >> > > >> > Two, anyone who starts a conversation with anyone they've never > >> met like > >> > that -- is a complete and utter fool and doesn't deserve my time -- > >> and > >> > isn't helping the hobby any, other than perhaps by licensing new > >> people > >> > with better attitudes. > >> > > >> > Three, I'm not in the slightest way interested in giving or > >> getting any > >> > commercial licensing. I'm a hobbyist, trying to volunteer within > >> my hobby. > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > > >> > This is a current and still operating ARRL VE Team. They make the > >> ARRL > >> > VE organization look bad, regularly, I'm sure. I told him so, and > >> good > >> > day. > >> > > >> > I'll spend my time running a ham club, working on the repeaters, > >> > volunteering for anything needed with the frequency coordination > >> group, > >> > running servers for IRLP, chatting on every radio I have from DC > >> to > >> > Daylight, a little VHF contesting and 40M SSB once in a while... > >> > > >> > And generally staying the HELL away from his attitude and his VE > >> team. > >> > > >> > > My feeling is each to his/her own--whatever mode you wish to use > >> is > >> > > fine, as long as you are licensed for it. But comments like the > >> above > >> > > and commonly are made by the hard core "elite" is just another > >> of many > >> > > reasons why this hobby continues to die a slow, lingering death, > >> due > >> > > to a lack of new blood. > >> > > >> > Yep. Damn right. > >> > > >> > Sorry I wasn't just on the soapbox, you got me to jump up onto the > >> > ledge. Climbing down now... > >> > > >> > (Just the mention of the words "VE Team" around me in person sets > >> me > >> > off, too. Sorry.) > >> > > >> > Nate WY0X > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > >> Brings words and photos together (easily) with > >> PhotoMail > >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/PMall/*http://photomail.mail .yahoo.com> > >> - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > >-- > >MZ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "Repeater-Builder > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder>" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! 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