On Apr 23, 2007, at 21:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 4/23/2007 18:40, you wrote:
>>>    Re: Service Monitors with D-Star
>>>    Posted by: "Nate Duehr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wy0x
>>>    Date: Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:24 pm ((PDT))
>>>
>>> On 4/23/07, Shanon Herron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   There are several Death Star repeaters popping up in  
>>>> Michigan.  The P25
>>>> repeaters have been around much longer, one in Detroit for over  
>>>> 2 years.
>>>> Problem is, the Michigan Repeater Council, MARC, will not  
>>>> recognize P25
>>>> but
>>>> does Death Star.  The P25 owner is trying to get a pair but they  
>>>> refuse
>>>> to
>>>> even put him on the waiting or pending list.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's utterly retarded.  What possible technical reason do they  
>>> have for
>>> that!?
>>>
>>> Aren't the FCC emission type designators identical, with the only
>>> difference
>>> being the vocoder?  Perhaps that could be the leverage he could  
>>> use to hit
>>> them upside the head with the cluestick/cluebat.  (e.g. Give them  
>>> a clue.)
>>>
>>> Nate WY0X
>>>
>>
>>     The Illinois Repeater Association last week implemented a plan to
>> allocate repeater channels for the digital modes based on bandwidth,
>> regardless of the mode involved, be it P25, D-Star, Mototrbo, or  
>> whatever.
>>
>>     Details will be up at www.ilra.net soon.
>
> Sounds like the wise way to go.
>
> W.r.t. MARC, if it doesn't wish to recognize P25 then it has left  
> the door
> open for another coordination entity to coordinate that mode in  
> that region.
>
> I don't have any digital VHF/UHF equipment, but from everything  
> I've heard
> & read I'm inclined to favor P25 over DStar.  The recent discussions
> regarding servicing are particularly revealing.  At least with P25  
> you can
> put the equipment in analog mode (assuming you have no digital service
> monitor - a safe assumption for most of us) for troubleshooting &
> servicing, then go back to digital once all the RF "issues" have been
> tracked down in analog mode.


Mototrbo also allows one to configure the repeater to be either  
analog, or digital. But once configured for one (analog or digital),  
programming will be required to switch it.

I have overcome this by placing two repeaters within the same  
cabinet. One conventional, and Mototrbo, both on the same frequency  
pair. Therefor, it will remain an open system for all to utilize and  
experiment. At his point, I'm just waiting for the Mototrbo repeater  
to arrive.


> With DStar there is no such option; you have
> to plug it in & just accept whatever performance level you get.  If
> something starts blocking the input you have no idea what it is.
>
> Bob NO6B


Paul Metzger
K6EH

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