I've thought about this since the thread started. Don't you think that the "godfathers of the controllers", (SCOM, ACC and others), would have incorporated the paging tones into their systems UNLESS they had done their homework as to the legality of this issue? I would bet a lot of money that those manufacturers checked the rules and regs long before they added that feature.
I just can't see that a major controller manufacturer would have added that feature unless it was legal to do. Riley would have literally a "field day" as to the fines the FCC would impose on both the owners and control ops of the repeater. Just my $0.02 1/2 worth . . . . Don, KD9PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9wys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: paging system > Chris, > > OK - switching to serious mode for now. > > Using the "one transmission to one radio" argument doesn't float... What > about a group discussion or ragchew on the repeater (or any other > frequency/mode, for that matter?? During those, you are technically > transmitting your message to more than one receiving station > simultaneously. > > Now I know we're going WAY off topic with this, but here's a question to > ponder... What is the difference between sending paging tones off the > local > repeater to a group of hams, and sending a QSTR message to that same group > of hams? The paging method uses DTMP of single-frequency tone(s), whereas > the QST message uses "variable frequency" voice. > > I see no difference as long as the transmission is destined for the use of > a > group of licensed amateurs. Using the logic of above, then the QST > transmission of NewsLine becomes illegal. (And I'd hate to have to count > all the net control stations who do >that< on a weekly basis.) > But then again, I'm not a lawyer, or an FCC regulator... > > > 73 de Mark - N9WYS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Hodgdon > > Now, this makes a little more sense. As you show here, if you are > using say a DTMF or Tone Page to activate only one radio or pager at a > single time is not considered paging, but if you are activating more > than 1 pager, then that is considered broadcasting, correct. > > One problem is that here locally, several ARES/RACES groups in a few > cities and counties, have their repeaters setup to set out a tone > alert and DTMF code that opens up pagers setup for the tones and > radios setup for the DTMF code to activate SkyWarn nets and more. > > Some say that their paging cycle takes up to 2 minutes to complete > from start to finish, so I don't know if the system sends the tone > page to each member one at a time or not. But all of them talk about > sending out the tones ot DTMF tones to open the radios and pagers of > their members. > > I would consider this paging "broadcasting" myself, though it might > no be when the rules and regs are applied. > > But my question is still, doesn't the FCC also consider the one way > transmission from, again as an example, W1AW that are training codes, > announcements, bullitens, etc. to also be a "broadcast" transmission, > since it is intened for all amateurs that receive it? That is one way > I am confused about broadcasting, as it applies to the rules. > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n9wys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hey - don't wrap me up in this, simply because I **am** "one To-many"... >> >> 73 de Mark TOMANY - N9WYS >> Sorry - couldn't resist a bit of weird humor... hi hi >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > !DSPAM:1016,4662fd0f774175802679531! > >
