No need to be sorry.

As for not operating it without a 'load', I would prefer to not take the 
chance. Think of it as cheap insurance.

I'm sure a lot of people have put metal in them, too, but that too is 
not a good idea.

Joe M.

Burt Lang wrote:
> Sorry Joe, I misunderstood the original procedure.  I can see the 
> purpose of the water now although I still don't believe that an empty 
> oven will burn out easily.  If that was true, most of the ovens in the 
> country would now be dead because most everyone is guilty of turning on 
> one with little or nothing in it.
> 
> Burt>>>
> 
> MCH wrote:
>> You don't care if the cup of water heats up - you are looking to see if 
>> the painted cup heats up. The water is only there to prevent burning out 
>> the microwave.
>>
>> Joe M.
>>
>> Burt Lang wrote:
>>> Fine except for one problem.  Water is an excellant absorber of the 
>>> microwaves used in the microwave ovens (2.45 GHz)  So your water will 
>>> heat up quickly irregardless of the coating.  The only substances that 
>>> are better absorbers of that frequency are animal or vegetable fats 
>>> because they contain 9 times the molecular bonds (the O-H bond) that 
>>> actually do the absorbing.
>>>
>>> Burt  VE2BMQ  (who used to be a professional chemist)
>>>
>>> IM Ashford wrote:
>>>> Paint a polythene cup with your favourite antenna covering. Let it dry 
>>>> and put it into the microwave oven along  with a cup of water (to act as 
>>>> a dummy load)
>>>> Cook for 1 min on max power.
>>>> If it gets even slightly warm its no good for antennas.
>>>>  
>>>> er.. can I please have an award for the first cooking recipe to get past 
>>>> the moderator on repeater-builder
>>>>  
>>>> Ian
>>>> G8PWE
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>     *From:* skipp025 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>     *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>>>     <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>     *Sent:* Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:44 PM
>>>>     *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and
>>>>     Scotch Kote
>>>>
>>>>     I constructed a 6 meter beam some years back, worked like a bomb
>>>>     even at 25ft above ground elevation. To ensure my pride and joy
>>>>     would last a long time I sprayed it with clear Krylon brand spray
>>>>     paint.
>>>>
>>>>     The antenna was instantly unusable regardless of my efforts to
>>>>     remove the paint, re-tune or otherwise modify the antenna. I later
>>>>     learned that type of paint contained materials with a horible
>>>>     D-Factor. I was never able to use the antenna again, although it
>>>>     remains in my back yard as a reminder.
>>>>
>>>>     cheers,
>>>>     s.
>>>>
>>>>      > "Chuck Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>      > Boy, you took a gamble. I'd have been afraid that this action
>>>>      > could have either messed up the VSWR or shifted the resonant
>>>>      > point of the antenna. Then again, maybe it did and either
>>>>      > you don't know that or it wasn't significant.
>>>>      >
>>>>      > Chuck
>>>>      > WB2EDV
>>>>      >
>>>>      >
>>>>      > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>      > From: "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>      > To: <Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>>>     <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>>>      > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:19 AM
>>>>      > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna question - Dip It and Scotch
>>>>     Kote
>>>>      >
>>>>      >
>>>>      > > Hi Robert,
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > > You might get lucky... because they might also have advertised
>>>>      > > the dip-it as an insulator material, which means someone was
>>>>      > > hopefully looking at the dissipation factor (aka D-Factor) when
>>>>      > > the compound was engineered. Time will tell...
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > > cheers,
>>>>      > > skipp
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >> "georgiaskywarn" <kd4ydc@> wrote:
>>>>      > >> Someone else told me that after I had put a whole can of dip
>>>>      > >> it on the db408 I showed you. I went back and covered every
>>>>      > >> inch of it with liquid electrical tape. I have had good
>>>>      > >> results in the GA sun with it.
>>>>      > >> 73,
>>>>      > >> Robert
>>>>      > >> KD4YDC
>>>>      > >>
>>>>      >
>>>>
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