On 30-Oct-25 18:46, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On Oct 30, 2025, at 06:12, Julian Reschke
<[email protected]> wrote:
Or -you know- when it breaks on them. This is not the most important
software we're talking about :)
...
Well.
Indeed; the ability to author and publish I-Ds and RFCs *is* somewhat important
to the IETF and the other streams.
And you're sure that there will be somebody around to fix these?
Looking at https://github.com/ietf-tools/bibxml-service/issues/489 (not an RFC
reference, but indicative of the velocity with which we are handling this kind
of problem), I’m not so optimistic.
Also, will XML reference files change? If they do, re-generating HTML for
existing RFCs will yield different content.
Published RFCs don’t have external references, so they will stay on RFC%04d if
using that now.
It’s fun to look at existing RFCs. Quick check: The oldest one that references
RFC20 that I can quickly find is rfc4592 (from 2006), the newest one rfc9720
(2025). The oldest one that references RFC0020 appears to be rfc4627 (also
2006), the newest one rfc9804 (also 2025).
So I’m not worried about us introducing any inconsistencies :-)
The important part of this discussion is timelines.
When do we expect to have moved all places that somehow constitute dependencies
from RFC%04d to RFC%d, so we can throw the big switch on the software that
somehow depends on this?
Will this be a big flag day, or will we have the chaos monkey for a few months?
And will this happen before RFC1nnnn is published?
(At nearly 200 RFCs per year, and with RFC 9890 the highest number published
and RFC-to-be 9904 the highest number allocated today, that will be right after
IETF 125, no?)
Sure. So, more or less tomorrow, in terms of software life cycles. I think it
would be fair to post a warning to the unknown number of people who have
written software for processing RFC/BCP/STD metadata and citations that the xml
and txt version of the RFC index will lose the leading zeros on date X, so any
software that assumes the presence of the leading zeros, or a length of exactly
4 digits, needs to be fixed accordingly.
It would also be nice to know when the DOI aliases will go live.
Brian
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