John Summerfield schrieb:
> Götz Reinicke wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope, somewone can point me into the right direction.
>>
>> Recently I added two blacklist-checks to our sendmail config: spamhaus
>> zen and the list from the german computer magazin IX.
> 
> First. an important distinction. These are not _blacklists_, they are
> _blocklists_. You can use those lists to blacklist people.

I used this term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSBL; o.k. spamhaus.org
speaks os "Block List" http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/index.lasso and this
page talks about DNS-Based blacklisting: http://www.technoids.org/dnsbl.html

I think that's not that importend; next time, I'll use only the
abbreviation DNSBL ;-)

> 
> IP addresses get on the lists because people allege they get spam from
> those sources. I suspect that they're mostly infected with malware and
> 0wn3d by someone else.

Yes, I did know that, but e.g. spamhaus.org/zen uses also "Policy Block
List" - http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/ -  which block whole providers(!)
ip ranges; e.g. 1und1.de, eplus-UMTS-Dialup IP ranges, arcor.de. And in
this case it dosen't matter which IP you have out of this ranges.

>>
>> The good news: Spam has been about 70%-80%, now it is about 20%-30%. The
>> bad news: A lot of our users have problems sendig mails from there dial
>> up DSL or mobile phone network connections. I'v looked up there IPs and
>> all where on the Black lists or the PBL from spamhaus. So was my Arcor
>> IP last night :-)
> 
> I'm not assuming anything about your users; their computers might be
> infected and be out of their control, or they might have inherited the
> bad reputation from someone else. In _your_ position, I'd assume
> (without telling users it's their fault) that they are in need of a
> safety check. I do assume that they're on the block list for good reason.

The concerned computers including my own are save regarding
firewall/antivirus-software and updates. The problem has been the PBL
from spamhaus and not the SBLs ...

>>
>> The information from spamhaus is, to use SMTP Authentification
>> (http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL042952).
>>
>> I thought, we do use TLS and  smtp auth already, so I thought, users
>> allowed to log in will be allowd to send. But I got the errormessage
>> using Thunderbird 2, that our mailserver didn't support STARTTLS in
>> combination with EHLO.
> 
> My first suggestion is to require your Windows users to download and run
> Microsoft's malicious software removal tool.
> 
> You should also require them to not use administrator accounts for
> everyday work.
> 
> AV software is good too (but I don't use it[1])
> 
> My next suggestion is to send your email via your Internet Access
> Provider's mail gateway.
> 
> Your users' computers also needs to be configured to send mail through a
> specific server rather than direct.
> 
> There are network administrators who block IP addresses just because
> they're used for dynamic IP.
> 
> As far as possible, do not use Outlook, Outlook Express or Internet
> Explorer. Instead, use Thunderbird and Firefox, or Seamonkey. Regardless
> of how good the MS offerings are, viruses are mostly written to target
> them, and don't work with the alternatives.
> 

Thanks for the suggestions, which are mostly applied allready. We are an
university with about 1.000 Users and some of your tips can be realised
others can't.

My problem was the fact, that sendmail checks the DNSBL faster than the
authentification (which workde for about 4 years smoothly), so they
where blocked by the PBL from spamhaus. (Without the PBL check
everything was O.K. - so ...)

Sendmail has a feature, which is used (and is disabled by default in my
Redhat installation) in such situations:

http://www.sendmail.org/m4/anti_spam.html -> FEATURE(`delay_checks').

Uncomment, rebuild sendmail.cf, restart sendmail -> everything is o.k.
again. (And I have working DNSBL-checks now :-) )


/Götz
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