My dear Mr. Wesley,
Actually talking peace with occupiers when they still insist to legitimize
occupation is foolish....
Of course politics has no grammar to be followed...but you must be aware first
that the whole of so called Israel is Palestine and it belong to the 
Palestinians
be they Jews,Christians or Muslims...

Untill this principled stand is rejected by the international community the
attempt to impose "peace" will continue to fail.....

You also should note that global situation is changing...Asia and Africa must
have a say over these isuues...Hence those who say "Israel has come to stay" 
live
in fool's paradise...

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Subject:      Re: [RHETORIC] Israel's Survival
Sent:         Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:03:06 +1100
From: Garth Cartledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> One thing I forgot to mention last night when posting re what I thought re
>solution (anyway the line limit would have stopped me anyway).  I believe
>that all the settlements in Gaza and the West Bank should be withdrawn.
>They were a foolish conception and as long as they are there they provide a
>visible rallying point for extremists like Hamas.  This would not, in my
>opinion, be Israel giving a concession, but an acknowledgement that a
>mistake has been made in setting them up.  As I recall, the Israeli
>government resisted calls immediately after the 1967 war to set such
>settlements up but as time went on and the Arab countries spurned
>approaches from Israel successive Israeli governments weakened and gave in
>to the hard line (and extremely foolish) advocates of such expansion.
>
>
>Garth Cartledge
>
>" Despotism sits nowhere so secure as under the effigy and ensigns of
>Freedom", From Imaginary Conversations of Greeks and Romans (1853) by
>Walter Savage Landor 1775-1864
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