Nelson (and others)

The Scherrer equation is a quick and easy method to get a feel for relative 
sizes for data from the same instrument and is still a useful tool in that 
regard. However, beware of relying on absolute values from the Scherrer 
equation in work to be submitted for peer review. Depending on the referee you 
could be given a very hard time for not using something more rigorous - quite a 
bit of work has been done since Scherrer's paper in 1918. Look into the 
background and assumptions alluded to by Jeff more closely and you'll find out 
why I for one would be one of those 'awkward' referees.

Best regards
Pam

From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of 
Nicolich, Jeffrey
Sent: Tuesday, 07 January, 2014 11:15 AM
To: Nelson; rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: RE: limitation sherrer formula

Nelson,

There is no upper limit on particle size. The crystallite size limit depends 
only on your ability to measure a meaningful difference in line broadening 
between your sample and your instrument standard (e.g. LaB6, NIST SRM 660). A 
well aligned K-alpha1 machine can get you close to 1 micron (at least 
theoretically), but for a typical laboratory instrument ~200 nm is very 
reasonable. You can simply plug in some example numbers into the Scherrer 
formula to understand why this is.

Keep in mind the Scherrer equation is only an approximation based on many 
assumptions. While there are more sophisticated x-ray methods available, they 
all have in common a larger error at larger crystallite size numbers. Perhaps 
light-scattering, image analysis or some other alternative technique would be 
more appropriate for your application?

Best regards,
Jeff

Jeffrey Nicolich | Sr. Analytical Chemist
W. R. Grace & Co., 62 Whittemore Ave, Cambridge, MA 02140, USA | T +1 
617.498.3816 | F +1 617.498.4360 | 
jeffrey.nicol...@grace.com<mailto:jeffrey.nicol...@grace.com>
________________________________
THIS EMAIL AND ANY ATTACHED FILES ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND MAY BE LEGALLY 
PRIVILEGED. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, 
copying, distribution, or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If 
you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender 
immediately and then delete this email.

From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr> 
[mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:28 AM
To: rietveld_l@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>
Subject: limitation sherrer formula

Dear Rietvelds

The Scherrer formula is only applicable if the particle size is ~ 200 nm or 
less - it makes use of the line width due to the limited distance range  ?

This is true ?  Wich paper are recomended to know why ?

Best regards

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Please do NOT attach files to the whole list <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>
Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr> eg: HELP as the subject with no body text
The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Reply via email to