Dear Luis,
I always find weird and sort of funny when someone cannot accept that some
people could call themselves troglodites meaning that they are not very
enthusiastic about ALL what other people call new and progressive or
even an innovation. This is how I understand Larry's comment.
Personally, though I am younger than him I do not feel like a second-rate
human being or depleted of any important scientific information when I
completely ignore facebook and its clones. This way of communication or,
better, its information contents, strongly resembles that described in
Brave New World by A.Huxley. Though published in 1932, it has been somehow
ahead of the times.
A word of warning for facebookers : be careful, this is a book (check the
word with any good on-line service). Fortunately, it is offered also for
Kindle so no worry for being seen with a pretty thick piece of paper.
Best,
Lubo
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, LUIS MARIA RODRIGUEZ LORENZO wrote:
Dear all,
Although not an active player on this list, except maybe in my early days in
late 90,s,(science , took me in a different direction) I still keep track of
what is happening in "the Refinement world" and i would like to add my
thoughts on this non technical matter.
The generation of people called millennials and young scientists among them,
get inform through facebook and similar. That link them to several sources of
information without attaching them to one single source .
A facebook page related and linked to this discussion group could be the gate
to new researchers (students) to this page and have a positive influence on
the size of this community and their access to the very specific questions
and knowledge that are usually discussed here. Their alternative can be the
use of the potent available software to have results without guidance (e.g
after , no sensible responses have been obtained through linkedyn or research
gate, to name some, because nobody with the right expertise is there). It
does not have to be a different or parallel discussion group, and it does not
imply that you have to join or use any new group. it is most likely to have
a positive effect or maybe just null in the worst scenario.
In a more personal opinion , i always find weird and sort of funny, when
people, whose work is to develop and spread knowledge, is proud to be a
"troglodite" and do not dare to experience innovation. Facebook does not
change the way Science "should" be done but it may change the way of
communicating .
Please dont take offence for my last comment , that is out of my purpose.
Best regards
Luis
Quoting Reinhard Kleeberg <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de>:
To be honest, I can't imagine that crystallographic knowledge can be
effectively transmitted via facebook. Probably one could safe time by
reading some basic textbooks instead of "liking" and "following". The same
holds for other "asocial" (Lubo, I like this statement!) networks like
researchgate, what also waste the time even of uninvolved people by
spamming, just for generating profits by the companies.
The central points have already been fixed by Alan:
The advantage of the Rietveld mailing list is that contributions
aren't anonymous, it is not commercial and no use is made of users'
information, publicity is limited, and there is a structured archive
of discussion that is open to all, even those who don't have an account.
This is like science should be. Alan, thank you very much for all your
altruistic efforts with the list!
Greetings
Reinhard
Am 08/06/2015 um 14:00 schrieb Davide Levy:
I want say something more about my decision to open the group in FB.
There is many people the use the Rietveld method as a magic black box:
insert the data, read the cif of the phase and obtain the results. Then
they
say "twenty-one" and "forty-one" when they see a symmetry group!
Maybe a POP-group in FB can teach more about crystallography to a larger
group of scientist!
this is my opinion.
Davide
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Behalf
Of Lubomir Smrcok
Sent: 08 June, 2015 2:49 PM
To: Alan Hewat
Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook
Dear Alan,
There are plenty of people who call usage of so-called social networks
(they
are, in fact, very asocial) "a progress". I would suggest to consider De
gustibus non est disputandum, but also Duo cum faciunt idem, non est idem.
Although I am not member of any of those asocial nets and do not plan to
be,
I sometimes think of the end of such services like Gopher. Maybe we have
around a generation, who prefers to share instead of to search, think &
write. What a prefect opportunity for commercial companies :-)
Best,
Lubo
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Alan Hewat wrote:
I can understand that people have different ideas about the ideal
format for discussion, and for some of us email may seem a little "old
fashioned". I suppose we could also use Twitter or any of the other
social chattering forums. But multiple groups on the same subject
disperses the available information, and it would be good to have some
kind of consensus rather than individual initiatives.
The advantage of the Rietveld mailing list is that contributions
aren't anonymous, it is not commercial and no use is made of users'
information, publicity is limited, and there is a structured archive
of discussion that is open to all, even those who don't have an account.
I myself simply inherited the list, but think it worth maintaining,
and would discourage members from posting to multiple groups on the
same subject.
Alan. (What, me worry ? :-)
On 8 June 2015 at 09:24, davide levy <davide.lev...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good Morning
I created the Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook,
to speak about powder diffraction, Rietveld etc.. open for all
use powder diffraction.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1087352967946225/
Davide
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