Dear Colleagues,

I need your expert point of view on the complex problem associated with the 
thermal parameters.

Description:
New crystal structure contained Ba, Ca, K, P,O elements (with some Mn,Eu 
dopants) was solved and refined using Topas 4.2. The Checkcif tool found only a 
few Alert C, namely: Low ’MainMol’ Ueq as Compared to Neighbors of P1. The 
thermal parameters Biso of Ba ion are in the range of 1.52(8)-2.84(5) A^2, 
Biso(Ca)= 2.5(2)A^2, Biso(K) = 1.1(1) A^2, Biso(P)=1.52(6) A^2, O ions have 
3.2(1) A^2 (one parameter for all O ions). 
There are 15 independent ions in the asymmetric cell. The pattern was measured 
using CuKa in the range of 5-140 deg. Max. Intensity ~200.000 Cps.

The Problem:
The Reviewer wrote that the suggested crystal structure was less than 
satisfactory because Biso should be less that 0.7A^2 for cations and less than 
2A^2 for oxygens.

The similar published structure with the same problem:
I have found the cif-file of the similar structure Ba2CaNa3(PO4)3, which was 
solved/refined using single crystal method, that Biso(Ba) are in the range of 
1.58-1.75 A^2 which is much bigger than 0.7 A^2 and the Biso(O) values vary in 
the range of 1.42-4.3 A^2.

So, I have the questions:
-Where can I get the reliable information about the trustful range for thermal 
parameters? 
-Who and why decides to involve these maximal values 0.7 A^2 for heavy ions and 
2A^2 for oxygen ions. Maybe do you know the relevant manuscript?
-Whether the Ba2CaNa3(PO4)3 structure [Kim, M., Kobayashi, M., Kato, H., 
Yamane, H., Sato, Y., & Kakihana, M. (2015). Dalton Transactions, 44(4), 
1900-1904] with so "big" thermal parameter also was solved/refined using single 
crystal experiment less than satisfactory?

I think the problem will arise several times in the future and answers will be 
a great help to many subscribers here.
Sorry for long text.

Best wishes,
Maxim


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