Law is not just a government thing, it is also a community defined set or
rules, procedures, etc. and yes, we need to “enforce it” otherwise, we don’t
need a procedure that dictates how we discuss, evaluate consensus, what are the
timings, etc.
El 25/11/21 13:44, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list"
<ripe-list-boun...@ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list@ripe.net> escribió:
Or maybe I am mistaken and we actually have RIPE PDP courts and police to
enforce these laws and I have just missed them.
-Cynthia
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cynthia Revström <m...@cynthia.re> wrote:
Can you please stop calling it law?
It is NOT a law!
-Cynthia
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi.pa...@consulintel.es> wrote:
That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”
El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list"
<ripe-list-boun...@ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list@ripe.net> escribió:
But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents can
include suggestions even if national laws often don't.
The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal national
laws often don't, is extremely silly.
-Cynthia
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi.pa...@consulintel.es> wrote:
That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”
Saludos,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <m...@cynthia.re> escribió:
Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.
This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.
-Cynthia
On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
<ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Sander,
Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not got
a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.
Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible subjective
interpretations.
El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann"
<ripe-list-boun...@ripe.net en nombre de san...@steffann.nl> escribió:
Jordi,
> 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience doesn't
show that.
No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy
proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably one
of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support it.
> There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that process
and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict rules of a
process, not "rules and suggestions". We can't mix rules and suggestions in a
formal PDP text.
Yes we can, we are not writing law.
Cheers,
Sander
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