The DAW that almost always gets used here is Audacity on OS X. The different 
parts of a program end up on different track pairs and Audacity does a 2 track 
mix down to a new wav file. 

Bill

On Sep 6, 2012, at 11:23, Alan Peterson <apeter...@radioamerica.org> wrote:

> Bill, this may seem random but what DAW was used in 'gluing' that WAV file 
> onto the front of the program?
> 
> AP
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eames" <alcham...@googlemail.com>
> To: "User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System" 
> <rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 2:04:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Cart skipping in log
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Bill, 
> 
> 
> Thanks for that information. 
> 
> 
> We are also on 1.7.2 at the moment, on a stand alone machine. I hadn't 
> planned an upgrade yet as there was little need. 
> 
> 
> I have a feeling it's something in the import process, as it's the only 
> "change" to the audio file that is made from leaving the user's PC to ending 
> up in the library. I just fail to see what the difference is between preview 
> and log. 
> 
> 
> I also trolled the logs but didn't see anything untoward with them. As you 
> say, Rivendell seems to think it played it ok, even down to increasing the 
> cut play count. 
> 
> 
> I have tried it a couple of times in the wee small hours to test, and 
> interestingly it seemed, on occasion, to make it skip the next cart in the 
> log as well - again with no errors in the logs. 
> 
> 
> I will keep looking as it's something we need to work out. 
> 
> 
> Jay 
> 
> On 6 Sep 2012, at 18:05, Bill Putney < bi...@wwpc.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jay, 
> 
> We've seen this quite a bit here. Not a lot in terms of total operating time 
> but enough to be a pain. It happens most noticeably on long program carts as 
> you have seen but we also see it on music length carts and even station ID 
> length carts. 
> 
> What version of Rivendell are you running there? We're still on 1.7.2 and 
> we're gearing up to move to 2.x.x BA very soon and we hope some of this sort 
> of problem will go away. We have a client/server setup with the wav files and 
> the database on a separate server from the playout client(s). 
> 
> I've spent countless hours trying to figure out a way of recognizing a "Bad 
> Cart" or finding a reported error that could point me to a cause for this 
> behavior but no such luck. I've taken weeks worth of /var/log/syslog files 
> filtered for the "LoadPlayback" lines and converted them into a spreadsheet. 
> I then go through and look for carts that are followed within a second of the 
> next cart. I see certain carts that skip every time they are played. There's 
> never an error reported. It looks like the system thought it played the cart 
> and went on to the next one in the log. These carts always play fine out of 
> the library. 
> 
> The only hint we've seen is that we had one program that had a canned wav 
> file intro that was always tacked on the front of the program in our DAW 
> every week. Every time that program ran from a log it would be skipped. If it 
> was played out of the library it worked fine. Finally, in desparation, we 
> re-recorded the intro wav and it hasn't skipped since. Clearly there is 
> something in that wav file that was causing the skip but there's no 
> indication I can find anywhere that there's a violation of any formatting and 
> no error reports from Rivendell. 
> 
> If you find the answer please spread the word around. 
> 
> Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA 
> 
> On 9/5/12 12:27 AM, Jay Eames wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hi guys, 
> 
> 
> I have a bit of a strange one I am hoping someone can help with. I have a 
> cart that is nearly 2 hours in length. The cart info is all there, and the 
> waveform shows in the marker editor. The cut was imported from a flash drive 
> plugged directly into the system via rdlibrary, and was originally in wav 
> format. 
> 
> 
> The cart plays absolutely fine in preview, but if you put it in the log, 
> Rivendell just skips over it when it tries to play it. 
> 
> 
> I have tried both manual and automatic starts, and every type of transition - 
> all result in the same. I have other carts from the same presenter that are 
> of similar length and imported the same way that play out fine. 
> 
> 
> I know can try re-importing etc, but my question here is if there is any way 
> to spot this problem ahead of time as the cart seemed absolutely fine. 
> Obviously it's not very practical to have to put the cart into a live log (we 
> only have the one Rivendell machine at the moment) to test it. 
> 
> 
> Jay 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> incomplete data 
> 
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