Aha, I see. I suppose I should pay more attention to the entire
conversation. :-) I hope I didn't come across as being to
aggressive/dismissive/stupid (pick all that apply).
Please be patient whilst I amend my advice.
If you're in the process of writing a unit test, then check if there's a
similar jtreg test which covers what you're doing.
- If so, I would say modify/copy that since it'll probably be less work.
- If not, then go with JUnit, as Jeff Ramsdale said, JUnit has better
tool support than jtreg (which I've never heard of either). Also,
(probably) more developers are familiar with it which removes a future
barrier to entry for them.
Some advice I got a few months back when trying to get involved was to
make a decision and get stuck in. Waiting for others to help make
decisions, do some analysis and so on will most likely mean waiting a
long time. If JUnit suits your purposes/skills right now, go with that,
especially in this case where there has been no clear advice from people
who know more than us that this is a wrong approach.
I wouldn't worry about fully understanding the implications of
everything before making a move. The best way to fully explore whether
you're using the right tool or not is to try and use it for real. Write
and submit a JUnit test, if it works then there's your analysis done
already.
If it makes you feel any better, I've got some ideas up my sleeve which
I hope to start submitting soon and they'll be JUnit tested (rather than
jtreg). I've written JUnit tests for service code before so I know it
works, I've not looked at any depth at the ClassDep stuff so I can't say
if it's going to be equally good for that.
Speaking of which, which version of JUnit are you using (since that'll
be quite important for the build scripts) and are you using a mocking
tool, if so, which one? Let me know and I'll make sure I use the same
versions.
Cheers,
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Firmstone [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 28 April 2009 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: JUnit vs. jtreg (Was: Build failed in Hudson: River-trunk
#163)
Here's some background:
I was writing junit tests for the new ClassDep implementation on the
understanding that River didn't have any existing unit testing. Then
reading the river-dev conversation between Jonathan and Peter, I
discover that River has existing unit and regression tests. So I posed
the question: Should I be writing the unit tests using jtreg instead of
junit?
I've decided for the time being that until I feel more comfortable,
being the person who has just requested a test directory be created for
the junit tests, that we fully understand the implications of doing this
before just jumping in. I'm not saying we don't do it, just too much
too fast for me that's all.
Cheers,
Peter.
Tom Hobbs wrote:
I'm not proposing to reimplement or remove anything. Lets just put
these tests as part of the build, the theory being that they /should/
all pass.
Then adding/changing River behaviour should then provoke a detailed
critique of any jtregs that might then fail. That critique would then
conclude to modify/remove the affected jtreg only and it would be done
on a very specific basis.
There is no reason why /new/ code and /new/ bugs cannot be covered
using
a more common (junit?) tool. Of course, this assumes that the
community
agrees to adopt the more common tool over /extending/ the jtreg
coverage.
To be honest, I haven't had a chance to read any of the jtreg code
yet.
I'm just adverse to creating more work (reimplementing them) or
creating
danger (deleting them).
I don't really understand what the discussion about them is, can't we
just include them in the build script and see what happens? What am I
missing?
Why one or the other? Why not both with the understanding the jtreg
is
historic and junit is new stuff?
Cheers,
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Firmstone [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 26 April 2009 11:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: JUnit vs. jtreg (Was: Build failed in Hudson: River-trunk
#163)
Good to have you back Tom,
What I'm afraid of, is an uninformed decision being made, we need to
do
our homework here, so please dive in and check out the code. Thanks
to
Jonathan asking the right questions, and someone with the knowledge
replying (thank you Peter Jones for responding) we've now found out
there are existing Regression and Unit tests that rely on jtreg, in
addition to the Integration test kit that is now runnable from an ant
target.
Regression tests are created every time a bug is identified in River's
API, the conditions under which it occurs are recreated in one or more
regression tests. Later when that part of the API is reimplemented,
(assuming also that we're not deliberately breaking backward
compatibility) the regression tests confirm that a previously
identified
bug hasn't been reintroduced. This is important, some of the finer
implementation details may not be apparent to the future developer,
the
regression test allows us to ensure the bug doesn't get reintroduced
at
a later date. This is obviously very important for security bugs too.
A problem with reimplementing the regression tests with another tool
is
that we would need the old code that included the bug to confirm that
the new regression test implementation does in fact reproduce the bug,
otherwise our efforts would be for naught.
I have a feeling that if we decide to no longer use jtreg for unit
tests
that we may still need to use it for Regression testing, however I'd
like to reserve any further judgment on my part until my understanding
improves further.
Tom hobbs wrote:
Hi guys,
Sorry for my recent silence.
These jtreg doo-hickeys sound like the QA tests to me. They're
something we're inherited and not really sure what to do with them,
so
I suggest we treat them like the QA tests.
Assuming it's not too difficult, lets get running the jtregs as part
of the build. As River functionality is added/changed and individual
jtregs start breaking whoever made the change should assume that it's
their responsibility to modify or remove the jtreg (and QA test) as
appropriate.
Meanwhile, new code gets junit tested.
Thoughts?
Also, +1 Java 5. (Java 6 I can take or leave).
Cheers,
Tom
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:50:10 -0000, Peter Firmstone
<[email protected]>
wrote:
I hear you.
How about we step back, postpone making a decision until we better
understand just what we've inherited then weigh up the pro's and
con's? I haven't seen anyone in a hurry to write junit tests yet, a
little wait while we investigate jtreg can't do any harm? ;) It took
me about 1 hour to download, install and get jtreg running, having
never heard of it before, the tests themselves seem simple, remember
I'm one of your new developers.
I'm going to sit on the fence for now have a play and write test
cases for ClassDep using both tools for my own understanding.
We're going to have to get to know jtreg to make an informed
decision, here's some info:
All tests are placed in the directory tree under qa/jtreg/
Ant can be used to run all tests, I'll post the build.xml file after
I write it.
The following I've copied from the jtreg website:
Ant Examples:
<jtreg dir="test/tools/javac"/>
Run all the tests in the test/tools/javac directory, using the same
JDK being used to run Ant, the default work and report directories,
and running each test in a separate VM.
<jtreg dir="test/tools/javac" workDir="myWorkDir"/>
As before, but specifying a work directory for the results.
<jtreg dir="test/tools/javac" workDir="myWorkDir">
<include name="api/*.java" />
</jtreg>
Run just the api/*.java tests.
<jtreg>
<arg line="-w myWorkDir -jdk /java/jdk/1.5.0 test/tools/javac">
</jtreg>
Run the test/tools/javac tests using /java/jdk/1.5.0 writing the
results to myWorkDir.
2. Writing a JDK Regression Test
2.1. How do I write a test?
The simplest test is an ordinary Java program with the usual static
main method. If the test fails, it should throw an exception; if it
succeeds, it should return normally.
Here's an example:
/* @test 1.1 97/10/12
@bug 1234567
@summary Make sure that 1 != 0
*/
public class OneZero {
public static void main(String[]
args) throws Exception {
if (1 == 0) {
throw new Exception("1 ==
0");
}
}
}
The @test tag identifies a source file that
defines a test. the harness will automatically run any .java, .sh,
and .html file containing an @test tag within the appropriate
comment; it ignores any file not containing such a tag or not
utilizing one of the expected extensions.
If necessary the harness will compile the source file, if the class
files are older than the corresponding source files. Other files
which the test depends on must be specified with the @run build
action.
The arguments to the @test tag are ignored by the harness. For
identification it's useful to put the usual SCCS ID keywords (I and
E, each letter surrounded by %) after the @test tag.
While not part of the tag specification, some tests use the string
"/nodynamiccopyright" after @test to indicate that that the file
should not be subject to automated copyright processing that might
affect the operation of the test, for example, by affecting the line
numbers of the test source code.
2.3. What do the other tags mean?
The other tags shown above are optional.
The @bug tag should be followed by one or more bug numbers,
separated
by spaces. The bug number is useful in diagnosing test failures.
It's
OK to write tests that don't have bug numbers, but if you're writing
a test for a specific bug please include its number in an @bug tag.
The @summary tag describes the condition that is checked by the
test.
It is especially useful for non-regression tests, which by
definition
don't have bug numbers, but even if there's a bug number it's
helpful
to include a summary. Note that a test summary is generally not the
same thing as a Bugtraq synopsis, since the latter describes the bug
rather than the condition that the bug violates.
Jeff Ramsdale wrote:
Not to mention tool support--IDEs, etc...
-j
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Jukka Zitting
<[email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Peter Firmstone
<[email protected]>
wrote:
It appears to me that I should perhaps be writing jtreg style
unit
tests
for
ClassDep rather than JUnit?
I'm not so sure about that. I can't tell which approach is better
technically as I don't know jtreg, but from a community building
perspective it would be much better if we used something that the
vast
majority of the Java world is already familiar with.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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