Hi Aaron,

no, this is not yet forgotten, we're just stuck...

On Thursday 23 October 2014 15:26:28 meik michalke wrote:
> now, this is a portion from "man launchctl":
> 
> <man>
> Note that per-user configuration files (LaunchAgents) must be owned by the
> user loading them. All system-wide daemons (LaunchDaemons) must be owned by
> root. Configuration files must not be group- or world-writable.
> </man>
[...]
> on the other hand, i find it hard to believe that a
> system-wide config file is supposed to be owned by one ordinary user and
> all other users can't launch it. can you make sense of this? after all,
> wrong permissions could be the actual problem here.

I don't believe this is the problem, here. It's the same situation on the 
build mac, either way.

Another bit from the man page is this: 
-w       Overrides the Disabled key and sets it to false. In previous
         versions, this option would modify the configuration file. Now
         the state of the Disabled key is stored elsewhere on-disk.
Now, thank you, Apple for being so specific, on just where that would be 
stored. But either way, I guess that could be a historical explanation for the 
note on file ownership, too.

Either way, perhaps our new angle at this problem should be:
Step 1: Find out, how we can _stop_ whatever thing is going wild trying to 
launch dbus.
Step 2: Find out, if that actually has any negative side-effects.
Step 3: Find out, where it came from.

So for step 1., could you try:
sudo launchctl unload -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/org.freedesktop.dbus-
system.plist
launchctl unload -w /Library/LaunchAgents/org.freedesktop.dbus-session.plist
(sudo) killall dbus-daemon
ps a | grep "dbus" # and kill anything still around.
launchctl -l # look for any signs of dbus launchers left

After that, 
- check the logs
- try starting RKWard.

(And well, you may want to try on a machine that is not mission critical, 
first).

Regards
Thomas

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