> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill > Cunningham > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [RLUG] NV Sate Fair > > > > Jay, > > I agree with you with the Debian thing - I only suggested > Mandrake as they have recently pledged support for years to > come. However the hardware support in Debian is not up to > par with those in other distros. I think we probably should > take stock in what they need as opposed to proposing > solutions for solutions sake. I'm of the simple approach is > the best. > > Perhaps finding out what they really need would be the > first step in determining what distro to use. What hardware > do they currently need to have supported and what hardware > do they intend to purchase within the next year? > > After that then we probably should start to look into what > the really need in terms of financial reporting and such. > One step at a time.
I absolutely agree. We should organize a group to meet with them and determine specifics of what they will be doing. Dennis? What's your take on that? I know you've had some indication. Jay > > - Bill > > --- Jay MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everyone, > > > > I don't want to make this a distro war, but one thing not > > to lose sight of > > is future availability. I've recently moved away from Red > > Hat to Debian > > specifically because of this, and am not planning to look > > back (read: I'm > > really pleased with Debian). With the recent purchase of > > SUSE by Novell I, > > for one, would not put money on SUSE/Novell not going the > > way of Red Hat. > > Bottom line: the more "open" we can make this the better. > > This project needs > > to be sustainable. > > > > LTSP would be an ideal solution assuming the resources > > were available for > > the central server. IMHO running it with more than a > > couple of clients on > > anything less than a 1 GHz PIII with 1 GB RAM would be > > foolish. Until the > > resources are there to put such a system (or better) in > > as the server, I > > recommend we abandon LTSP as a possibility. From what > > I've seen so far, no > > "big servers" are coming our way. > > > > IMHO GNOME and KDE are the only real options for the GUI > > on desktops, so a > > minimum system requirement needs to be defined. Sure, > > they would run on > > lesser hardware, but we need some level of productivity > > and ease of use in > > this install. As such I absolutely agree that anything > > less than a PIII with > > 256 MB RAM is not worth pursuing for the desktops. If > > lesser hardware is all > > that is available by donations we need to try and get the > > RAM upped. > > > > If a couple of PIIs are available then by all means bring > > them in as low end > > servers handling routing, e-mail, file and print sharing. > > They will likely > > continue to have some Windows machines around so Samba, > > rather than NFS, > > would IMHO be the most likely direction to go for network > > sharing. Tunneling > > Samba through ssh is much easier than NFS, too. (As an > > aside, my friend here > > in Colorado uses ssh to tunnel port 139 from the home > > offices to the Samba > > server at the main office and runs Quickbooks on shared > > files through it. He > > has a shell script to set up the tunnel in a CygWin shell > > using OpenSSH). > > > > As for applications, I think it's pretty much obvious: > > OpenOffice.org and > > Mozilla make up the basis for the bulk of the requirement > > outside of > > accounting, especially since they both cross over to the > > Windows world. My > > experience with Evolution (in a GNOME environment) has > > been outstanding, > > although it's not cross platform (plus since Ximian's > > purchase by Novell I'm > > also leery of it for a recommendation). I would > > definitely NOT recommend > > going to any of the K tools. The users WILL need to share > > files and > > experiences with Windows users, and the K tools are not > > conducive to this. > > > > I'm not familiar with the various accounting packages > > available beyond > > GnuCash, so I won't bring an opinion to the table on that > > aside from try to > > keep it to an ASP type interface (i.e. it works in a > > browser). If the best > > tool for the job is an X app we need to make sure any > > Windows users that do > > show up have an easy install for CygWin and XFree86 to > > run it from a server > > (although we once again run into LTSP type issues in that > > case). > > > > This is a great opportunity for RLUG. Thank you Dennis > > for bringing it to > > the table. If properly managed we could probably get an > > article in Linux > > Journal or something. With that in mind I suggest someone > > take the ball and > > run with organizing the project and starting a SIG or > > something; what's the > > new constitution say about this? > > > > Cheers! > > > > Jay (struggling with a Windows box and Outlook while on > > vacation in CO) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of C. > > Richard Matson > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:52 PM > > To: Bill Cunningham; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [RLUG] RE: RLUG digest, Vol 1 #286 - 7 msgs > > > > > > On Tue December 30 2003 3:03 pm, Bill Cunningham wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > The KDE version shipping with the latest Mandrake is > > scaled > > > down and simplified for the end user. During install it > > > specifically asks if the user is new to the desktop > > > environment and adjusts the menus accordingly. Might be > > > worth looking into. > > >$$$$$$$This sounds like the bestidea . Rich > > > --- Dennis Bagley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Because of the "level" of users at the Fair office, > > we > > > > are expecting that a > > > > full GUI under X-windows > > > > would be simplest (probably KDE or GNOME.) The > > > > accounting software > > > > products being considered > > > > are Quasar, SQL Ledger and Lazy Eight Ledger. Office > > > > suite will be Open > > > > Office due to it's compatibility > > > > with M$ products and probably the Mozilla suite or > > > > Evolution for browser > > > > and email, though that's still open. > > > > Based on a few things I looked at, maybe the Ximian > > > > desktop should be > > > > considered, though I would like to hear > > > > from anybody who has actually used it in a corporate > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > I have some concerns that P-II's may not be fully up > > to > > > > the tasks under the > > > > latest kernel, > > > > if for no other reason than we need to keep support > > > > requirements as low as > > > > possible and > > > > speed high. > > > > > > > > Of course some of you may have another view. Perhaps > > > > creating a really > > > > beefy server > > > > then running all the other nodes as thin clients > > would > > > > enable using P-II's. > > > > > > > > But remember the end users are: > > > > A. New to Linux (most have never even seen it > > > > before) > > > > B. In some cases not even regular users of PCs > > > > C. Probably older than, shall we say, the median > > age > > > > of the RLUG > > > > membership. > > > > with substantially less computer > > experience, > > > > of any kind. > > > > D. Will want their hands held, for at least a > > little > > > > while. > > > > E. There will NOT be an in-house computer geek > > on > > > > staff. > > > > > > > > At 01:04 PM 12/30/2003, Johnny Lau wrote: > > > > >Hi, Everyone, > > > > > > > > > >Is it matter if it is PII? Only if it is ok then I > > will > > > > > > > > check with my boss, > > > > > > > > >may be we can donate some computer as well. > > > > > > > > > >Please let me know > > > > > > > > > >Johnny Lau > > > > >PC-Doctor, Inc. > > > > >Customer Relationship Manager > > > > >Tel: 775-336-4021 Fax: 775-336-4099 > > > > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Address: 9805 Double R Blvd. Suite 301 > > > > >Reno, Nevada 89521 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > William Cunningham > Cell: (775) 813-6892 > http://cunndev.netfirms.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! 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