These sorts of numbers are just typical marketing numbers.. i.e. best guess.

 - jim

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:50:49 -0700 (PDT)
Sebastian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are we counting users, or installations?  How do LiveCDs fit into the 
> puzzle?  Do embedded devices running Linux count?  How about UML or Xen? 
> This is a complicated problem.  I'm one user, but have around 20 devices 
> (computers, pda, and embedded devices) running Linux.  On the other hand, 
> if you have a Linux kiosk -- say... an ATM -- it may have thousands of 
> users.  Or, you may have a cluster with thousands of users.  By counting 
> installations or users it is clearly easy to underestimate the total 
> number using Linux.  Furthermore, how do LiveCDs fit into this puzzle?! I 
> just can't grasp that.
> 
> - Sebastian
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Mark C. Ballew wrote:
> 
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Linux counter sends an email out to the address you listed every year and 
> > asks that you login to update your information. If you don't,  you get 
> > "uncounted".
> >
> > Mark
> > On Sep 4, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Jeff Shippen wrote:
> >
> >> There's really no 100% accurate way to tell how many users of what
> >> there are.  Here's an intersting site set up to count how many people
> >> use linux and how many machines they use it on.
> >> http://counter.li.org/
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately, you must go add yourself manually, and then, I do not
> >> know if there is a way to remove your self should you make any
> >> changes for any reason.
> >> 
> >> This is an interesting topic anyway... can anyone think of a way to
> >> effeciently count operating systems?  Maybe we can set up a survey
> >> website, to at least get a general idea.  A survey that can take
> >> place
> >> each year for the full year...  Here's a visual of the idea, with my
> >> count inside. http://jeffshippen.homelinux.com/test/OSsurvey/ (open
> >> office or html)
> >> I'm starting to think it should be a more simple survey, to include
> >> only option for a variant, such as
> >> <windows>
> >> <mac>
> >> <unix>
> >> 
> >> Maybe there can be a unified way the Linux distros can implement a
> >> count across the net, to count both distro and total linuxes - again
> >> these numbers are prone to be higher than real uses - because, i for
> >> example, like to download this linux and that linux just for a
> >> temporary trial, and then i go back to my favorite.
> >> 
> >> I think we, as a LUG group, can put some ideas together and possibly
> >> come up with an effecient count method, weather it's for only Linux
> >> or includes all OSes.
> >> 
> >> Jeff
> >> 
> >> Quoting Bill Roddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> This may seem like a silly or irrelevant question, but how do we
> >>> KNOW
> >>> how many people are using Linux?
> >>> 
> >>> I'm sure it's relatively easy to know how many people are using
> >>> Windows,
> >>> or Apple, by tracking sales figures. But what figures do the
> >>> pundits use
> >>> to track Linux users, when they compare this system to others?
> >>> 
> >>> This question came to mind when I learned that Fermilabs, CERN in
> >>> Switzerland, and a number of other huge research facilities, are
> >>> using
> >>> Linux, but the hundreds and hundreds of desktops and servers at
> >>> each
> >>> facility are probably not being counted, because they run a
> >>> non-proprietary version of Linux they have built from source
> >>> themselves.
> >>> 
> >>> Like I said, it's a silly question, but the alleged answer that
> >>> some
> >>> "experts" offer either comes out of thin air, or there is a way.
> >>> Could
> >>> it be that there are significantly more Linux users that anyone
> >>> imagines?
> >>> 
> >>> Bill
> >>> -- 
> >>> Web site: http://life-and-times.net
> >>> Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/~williamroddy
> >>> AIM: errolofquirm
> >>> 
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