hiho,
Before the XP wars begin here, just note that there are those that would
argue that Doug's views on XP are hardly balanced. If you read it, you
might want to also read some of the discussion on it here:
http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExtremeMisunderstanding
(The Ralph Johnson-authored section is pretty reasonable)
If you want to read an article from Rosenberg that trashes both XP and RUP,
check out another issue of ObjectView here:
http://www.ratio.co.uk/ov5.pdf
and go to page 35.
BTW, if you are interested in XP, but still interested in retaining a focus
on modeling as part of your process, check out Scott Ambler's discussion of
Extreme Modeling here:
http://www.sdmagazine.com/articles/2000/0011/0011m/0011m.htm
There is a small amount of additional info here:
http://www.extrememodeling.org/
and here:
http://www.extreme-modeling.com/
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ahmed, Khawar
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 1:37 PM
To: 'Jason Gorman'; Remco van Veenendaal
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Subject: RE: (ROSE) Experiences introducing RUP
You might want to get a more balanced view of XP than the one provided at
Objectmentor.com. Check out the article on pape 16 (XP-cutting through the
hype..).
http://www.iconixsw.com/Articles/ObjectiveView3.pdf
Best regards,
Khawar
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From: Jason Gorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 8:54 AM
To: Remco van Veenendaal
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Subject: RE: (ROSE) Experiences introducing RUP
Hi
I would recommend you take a look at a lightweight, developer-friendly
process like Extreme Programming (try http://www.objectmentor.com) as you
may well find that RUP can be a lot to take on board even in a small pilot
project. It's vital to focus on WHY you need a process, and to adopt the
best practices that all OO processes are based on. Bear in mind that XP,
Catalysis, Cleanroom and RUP (and many more) are all different flavours of
the same thing. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. You
should seek advice, but first you must clearly set out the goals you have in
mind and particularly how you can measure your success. For example, do you
want to reduce the bug count per thousand lines of code, or do you want to
improve your scheduling and resource estimates, or do you want to better
ensure that your code satisfies the business requirements?
Don't get too bogged down in a particular named-brand process because many
projects have failed trying to "do it by the numbers".
Good luck
Jason Gorman
http://www.xml-objects.com
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Remco van Veenendaal
Sent: 23 February 2001 14:20
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (ROSE) Experiences introducing RUP
Hi,
Are there any people out there that can tell us of their experiences
introducing UML/RUP to their company?
We are a language technology company (about 20 people), have some
experience with visual modeling in Rose, but now we would like to switch
our "ad hoc" (my manager will kill me if she reads this) software
engineering method to RUP ("ad hoc" is fairly Ok for smaller companies, but
now we are growing...).
Our current idea is to try to use the RUP in a small pilot project and then
we will decide how to continue (yes, I've read the RUP HTML documentation).
Does this fit in the "good things" or in the "bad things" category? Ok, in
theory yes, but in practice?
Thanx in advance,
Remco
drs. R. van Veenendaal
Polderland Language & Speech Technology
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