IMO this is part of the problem. These people are not system or IT. It is the same issue that we deal with on a technical level - responsibility and boundaries.
The business analyst need to be seen as responsible for and to the business. They have a boundary to the solution but that boundary is telling the solution providers what the business needs. Regards Stephen Baynes -----Original Message----- From: Ronald W Townsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 November 2002 17:39 To: McMurry, Knox Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (ROSE) RE: (RUP) Business Analysts be part of IT We call them System Engineers. SE's are responsible for defining system level requirements. This includes detailed interaction requirments between the various actors in the systems, what the rules are and how the interaction should occure given various senarios. The System Engineers are currently using UML (Rose) linked with SLATE to define requirements and describe the interactions. The Software Engineers take the output of the SE's and use the modeling to develop the software code. You may want to attach a business name to the SE's, but its the same function. "McMurry, Knox" <knox.mcmurry@bankofa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] merica.com> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Subject: (ROSE) RE: (RUP) Business Analysts be part of IT owner-rose_forum@rati onal.com 11/27/02 08:46 AM Please respond to "McMurry, Knox" Hi Naidu, I am a manager of a group of business analysts. In my organization, the BAs take rough, high-level requirements from the business sponsor and write the use cases, detailed software requirements, activity diagrams, and other necessary artifacts that the development teams will actually develop the application from. So, from what you are saying below, we are not actually doing BA work, is that correct? If so, then what is our true role? Systems analysts? This has been an item for debate in my group for quite some time, and I would appreciate the feedback from this group. Cheers, Knox -----Original Message----- From: Naidu, Om [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:55 AM To: 'Charles Edwards' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: (RUP) Business Analysts be part of IT Hi Charles,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I have a doubt for long lingering in my mind. I think that this concept of Business Analyst caught up to the limelight for the past three years. However, there is no clear definition of what qualifies one to be a business analyst. In most of the software development houses, the BAs are erstwhile project coordinators of excellent administrative skills and MS Office, mostly, without much or no software development skills. Such BAs find it hard to understand UML or any development methodology and they hate to learn anything new also. So, is there a clear definition of what qualifies (technically speaking) one to be a BA in a software development house? For that matter I would like you to give us some understanding on the technical qualifications of various roles as defined by RUP. I remember that you came out with a much acclaimed white paper "Technically implementing RUP with Rational Tools" for a million $$ (as stated in your paper) question from me, about a year back. A white paper on this topic will definitely help all HR or program managers to define the roles and responsibilities of various human actors in project management. It would be nice if we have a white paper followed by the old one on: "The requirements of the human-actors in Roles and Responsibilities as defined by RUP". Thank you very much for your contributions, Om Naidu, Rational-RUP-Administrator, Pfizer Inc., USA -----Original Message----- From: Charles Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 7:34 AM To: 'Baynes, Steve'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (RUP) Business Analysts be part of IT | This leads me to the question "Should business analysts be | part of the IT organisation?" IMO no, no, no. The business analyst needs | to be seen as part of the business they are analysing! I agree with you fully on this point. There should be a separate entity in Business where a small group of Business Analysts called "Business Architecture" or something, whose aim is to formally document Strategy, and Business process. They should make use of UML and define the business processes at a level above the software implementations. o Business Analysts on any one project tend not see the Business as a whole. o They tend to get sucked into Software and software implementation issues, like we do it this way because Product X forces us to... This would allow individual projects to go to the Business Architecture when they start and get the ready made Business Use Cases, Business Object Models, Business Visions and Strategy document, and align their particular projects to this centrally available information. Obviously the people who staffed this "Business Architecture" team would be from a Technical IT background where they learned about Modeling and Analysis, etc. but owned by, managed and close to the Business directly. Comments? regards Charles Edwards Software Process Engineer Concise Group Limited LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. 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