I can agree with the proposed direction.
Bob By the way, we do use the straight NAIC code at the ISA level. The NAIC does support an optional payer assigned suffix. We may be using that suffix at the GS and transaction levels. "William J. Kammerer" To: "WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <wkammerer@nov cc: annet.com> Subject: Common ID coding scheme 01/28/2002 09:58 AM Doug Renshaw writes: ...it seems to me that the immediate need is to address a common ID coding scheme. Without that, we are all left to our own devices. For example, to satisfy our needs as a payer, we will be requiring that submitters identify themselves with a edi source number that we assign internally, and that they identify the receiver and destination payer with a NAIC based number, with some modification per our definition. I agree that it would be nice for submitters if there were national numbers that a submitter could use, but there are not. Common ID coding schemes (for the ISA sender and receiver) are definitely at the core of this project. And it looks like I would be "tilting at windmills" if I were to push for getting rid of the ZZ (Mutually Defined) qualifier altogether. Can we compromise and somehow say the ZZ can only be used in one or the other (the sender or the receiver), and the value of the mutually defined address is defined and determined by the entity explicitly identified (usually the payer) in the other address? So in an interchange sent from provider to payer, if the receiver were specified as the NAIC for the payer, it would be the payer who would determine the value specified for a ZZ code as the sender address. Having at least one of the sender or receiver codes anchored with an unambiguous address (e.g., NAIC, D-U-N-S, FEIN, National Plan ID, HCFA Carrier, etc.), allows some scope to be assigned to the other code, even if it were "mutually" defined. I'm looking further down the road to tying the ISA sender and/or receiver addresses to CA-signed certificates for authentication, encryption and non-repudiation. This still begs the question whether one of the parties to a HIPAA standard transaction can dictate to the other how he specifies his address on the ISA, but nevertheless, allowing ZZ for payer-assigned internal provider numbers should remove a roadblock to consensus. Unfortunately, there's no Interchange ID Qualifier code meaning "NAIC based number, with some modification per our definition." An address is either the NAIC of the payer, or it isn't. William J. Kammerer Novannet, LLC. +1 (614) 487-0320