If special handling requirements can be expressed in a machine readable
manner, then the CPP electronic partner profile (or a "Legacy EDI"
extension thereof) does indeed seem to be the natural place for carrying
the information.  Otherwise, if only English text can describe the
handling requirements (e.g., functional group processing), then free
text in either the CPP or the companion guide seems okay by me - I have
no strong preference.

Let's take Highmark's GS03 requirements: "V" (vision claims), "W" (if an
institution is in its Western Region), or "C" (if in its Central Region)
is appended to its NAIC in the GS Application Receiver Code.  I don't
see how you could described this mechanically.  How would a provider
know whether she's in the "Western" region as opposed to "Central" (let
alone, "Eastern")?  Wouldn't she have to be told that by Highmark?
Either she has to "introduce" herself at EDI enrollment time with her
demographics so the payer can return the appropriate suffix for her to
use, or the companion guide (or other free text in the CPP) has to be
sufficiently unambiguous so she can determine her region on her own
(e.g., these states are "Western," and these are "Central").  In cases
like these, where instructions can't be mechanically shared ahead of
time in the CPP, I don't see how any but manual effort can resolve these
issues.

Now, Rachel has brought up the topic of ebXML CPAs, or Collaboration
Protocol Agreements.  It might be simplest to think of CPAs as XML files
resulting after a string of "electronic" negotiations between partners -
the customized "Trading Partner Agreement." I described the CPA earlier
as being "... in the realm of science fiction. Theoretically, a provider
would introduce himself to the payer with his CPP...Software at either
end would electronically negotiate terms, resulting in a CPA which binds
the provider and payer in a bi-lateral trading relationship."

So, in order to eliminate manual intervention in forming the "contract,"
the provider's ebXML software would send a message to the payer saying
something like "Yoo hoo, Big Payer!  I wanna send claims to you.  This
is my name, address, Tax Id and National Provider ID."  And somehow the
payer will respond with "It's okay to send me claims;  I see you're in
one o' them big rectangular states out West - make sure you use '76378W'
in the GS03 Application Receiver Code so I know you're in the 'Western
Region" and I can properly route claims within my own organization.
Everything else you need is in my CPP and companion guide."  Don't ask
me how that dialog would be represented in XML.

Needless to say, software (at either end, mind you) like this sounds
hideously complex and expensive. Wouldn't it be a good deal simpler for
the payer to just be prepared to split incoming transactions itself, as
it sees fit?  Isn't it enough of a miracle that the provider manages to
get well-formed and compliant HIPAA transactions to the payer's front
door-step?

William J. Kammerer
Novannet, LLC.
Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
+1 (614) 487-0320

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Foerster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, 08 August, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: 276 routing question, esp. interested in Clearinghouse
guru's opinion


Chris,

I don't think so. A companion guide should be the specifications of that
company's implementation of a given transaction set. Identifying which
identifiers to use where/when/for what purpose is a logical and natural
use of the CPP. The CPA is then the result of the negotiation between
two enterprises of their published capabilities in the CPP.

Rachel

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher J. Feahr, OD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:41 PM
To: William J. Kammerer; WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing
Subject: Re: 276 routing question, esp. interested in Clearinghouse
guru's opinion


William,
Am I correct that any of these special handling requirements would be in
the Companion Guide... and NOT in the CPP?
-Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "William J. Kammerer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, 06 August, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: 276 routing question, esp. interested in Clearinghouse
guru's opinion


Though I'm sympathetic to Michael's subtle hint that ISA receiver IDs
not be used to route interchanges among different internal application
systems, I think we can accommodate Rachel's suggestion.  Once the CPP
for the receiver has been located (using some unique ID from one of any
number of domains), it will be possible to specify what is to appear in
the ISA (or GS) receiver IDs depending on the particular Delivery
Channel selected.  The receiver has every right to specify what goes in
the GS receiver ID.  And with no more effort on our part, we can
likewise give her the capability to demand a particular ISA receiver ID
(and qualifier).

The converse is neither possible nor desirable: the receiver has no
business - nor means within the CPP - to tell the sender what to use as
his ISA or GS sender codes.

William J. Kammerer
Novannet, LLC.
Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
+1 (614) 487-0320



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