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On 03/06/2014 06:50 PM, Pavel Herrmann wrote: > Hi > > apologies for reordering the message parts, and for the long bit at > the end > > On Thursday 06 March 2014 23:45:22 Hendrik Visage wrote: >> Question: The source and destination folder host OS and are both >> sides ZFS? > > no, the remote (source) was ext4. However, i plan to use it against > at least one NTFS machine as well > >> I'd like to see some stats that rsync said it transfered, also >> add the -S flag as an extra set of tests. > > --sparse had the opposite result, minimal size for zeroed file, no > space saved for random file. combination of --sparse and --inplace > is not supported > >> When you are on Solaris, also see the impact of a test case >> using mkfile and not dd if=/dev/zero. > > sadly, I have no Solaris in my environment, all test were done on > Linux > >> >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:17 PM, <devz...@web.de> wrote: >>> Hi Pavel, >>> >>> maybe that´s related to zfs compression ? >>> >>> on compressed zfs filesystem, zeroes are not written to disk. > > compression was not turned on on the volume (unless this is enabled > even if compression is set to off) > >>> >>> # dd if=/dev/zero of=test.dat bs=1024k count=100 >>> >>> /zfspool # ls -la total 8 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4 Feb >>> 26 10:18 . drwxr-xr-x 27 root root 4096 Mar 29 2013 .. >>> drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 25 Mar 29 2013 backup >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 104857600 Feb 26 10:18 test.dat >>> >>> /zfspool # du -k test.dat 1 test.dat >>> >>> /zfspool # du -k --apparent-size test.dat 102400 test.dat >>> >>> despite that, space calculation on compressed fs is a difficult >>> thing... >>> > > space was as reported by 'zfs list', on a volume that was created > specifically for this test. I would assume that is the most > reliable way to get space usage > > >> The other Question that would be interested (both with and >> without -S) is when you use the dd if=/dev/urandom created file, >> but change some places with dd =/dev/zero (ie the reverse of the >> A test case, creatin with dd if=/dev/zero and changes with dd >> if=/dev/urandom) > > I just rerun all the tests with --sparse and --inplace, results > follow (cleanup is done after each 'zfs list', not shown) > > > thanks Pavel Herrmann > > > > > > zero-inited file > > remote runs: # dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024 count=102400 # > dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=1 bs=1024 seek=854 > conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=1 bs=1024 > seek=45368 conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=50 > bs=1024 seek=9647 conv=notrunc > > > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list ./ testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 1 > (reg: 1) Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: > 104,857,600 bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes > Literal data: 104,857,600 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list > size: 50 File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list > transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 33 Total bytes > received: 104,870,500 > > sent 33 bytes received 104,870,500 bytes 41,948,213.20 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 1.00 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@a # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,301 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,301 bytes 82,007.33 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.42 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@b > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,301 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,301 bytes 82,007.33 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.42 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@c > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 61,440 bytes Matched data: 104,796,160 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 102,489 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 102,489 bytes 116,132.67 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 601.94 > > # zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER > MOUNTPOINT <snip> zraid/test 1.43M 3.44T > 616K legacy > > > > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 104,857,600 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 104,870,497 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 104,870,497 bytes 29,983,487.71 > bytes/sec total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 1.00 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@a # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,301 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,301 bytes 82,007.33 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.42 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@b > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,301 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,301 bytes 82,007.33 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.42 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@c > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 61,440 bytes Matched data: 104,796,160 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 102,489 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 102,489 bytes 69,679.60 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 601.94 # zfs list NAME > USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT <snip> zraid/test > 346M 3.44T 100M legacy > > > random-init > > remote runs: # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=102400 bs=1024 > # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=1 bs=1024 seek=854 > conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=1 bs=1024 > seek=45368 conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=50 > bs=1024 seek=9647 conv=notrunc > > > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list ./ testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 1 > (reg: 1) Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: > 104,857,600 bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes > Literal data: 104,857,600 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list > size: 50 File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list > transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 33 Total bytes > received: 104,870,500 > > sent 33 bytes received 104,870,500 bytes 41,948,213.20 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 1.00 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@a # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,297 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,297 bytes 82,004.67 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.45 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@b > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,297 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,297 bytes 82,004.67 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.45 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@c > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 61,440 bytes Matched data: 104,796,160 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 102,481 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 102,481 bytes 69,676.40 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 601.97 > > # zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER > MOUNTPOINT <snip> zraid/test 401M 3.44T > 100M legacy > > > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list ./ testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 1 > (reg: 1) Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: > 104,857,600 bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes > Literal data: 104,857,600 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list > size: 50 File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list > transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 33 Total bytes > received: 104,870,500 > > sent 33 bytes received 104,870,500 bytes 69,913,688.67 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 1.00 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@a # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace > root@test:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,297 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,297 bytes 82,004.67 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.45 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@b > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 10,240 bytes Matched data: 104,847,360 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 51,297 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 51,297 bytes 82,004.67 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 852.45 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@c > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 61,440 bytes Matched data: 104,796,160 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 102,481 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 102,481 bytes 116,127.33 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 601.97 # zfs list NAME > USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT <snip> zraid/test > 101M 3.44T 100M legacy > > > > random init, zeroed holes > > remote runs: # dd if=/dev/urandom of=testfile count=102400 bs=1024 > # dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile count=20000 bs=1024 seek=10 > conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile count=20000 bs=1024 > seek=20010 conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile count=20000 > bs=1024 seek=40010 conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile > count=20000 bs=1024 seek=60010 conv=notrunc # dd if=/dev/zero > of=testfile count=20000 bs=1024 seek=80010 conv=notrunc > > > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list ./ testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 1 > (reg: 1) Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: > 104,857,600 bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes > Literal data: 104,857,600 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list > size: 50 File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list > transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 33 Total bytes > received: 104,870,500 > > sent 33 bytes received 104,870,500 bytes 29,963,009.43 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 1.00 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@a # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 20,480,000 bytes Matched data: 84,377,600 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 20,515,557 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 20,515,557 bytes 8,234,906.80 > bytes/sec total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 5.09 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@b # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 25,059.33 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@c > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 45,106.80 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@d > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 75,178.00 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@e > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --sparse root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 75,178.00 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs list NAME > USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT <snip> zraid/test > 309M 3.44T 2.72M legacy > > > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list ./ testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 1 > (reg: 1) Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: > 104,857,600 bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes > Literal data: 104,857,600 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list > size: 50 File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list > transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 33 Total bytes > received: 104,870,500 > > sent 33 bytes received 104,870,500 bytes 29,963,009.43 bytes/sec > total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 1.00 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@a # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 20,480,000 bytes Matched data: 84,377,600 bytes File list size: 50 > File list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: > 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: > 20,515,557 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 20,515,557 bytes 13,724,844.67 > bytes/sec total size is 104,857,600 speedup is 5.09 # zfs snapshot > zraid/test@b # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace > root@remote:/test/ . receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 45,106.80 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@c > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 45,106.80 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@d > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile > > Number of files: 2 (reg: 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 > Number of regular files transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 > bytes Total transferred file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: > 0 bytes Matched data: 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File > list generation time: 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 > seconds Total bytes sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 45,106.80 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 # zfs snapshot zraid/test@e > # rsync -aHAv --stats --delete --inplace root@remote:/test/ . > receiving incremental file list testfile z Number of files: 2 (reg: > 1, dir: 1) Number of created files: 0 Number of regular files > transferred: 1 Total file size: 104,857,600 bytes Total transferred > file size: 104,857,600 bytes Literal data: 0 bytes Matched data: > 104,857,600 bytes File list size: 50 File list generation time: > 0.001 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes > sent: 71,710 Total bytes received: 41,057 > > sent 71,710 bytes received 41,057 bytes 45,106.80 bytes/sec total > size is 104,857,600 speedup is 929.86 zalohovadlo recover # zfs > list NAME USED AVAIL REFER > MOUNTPOINT <snip> zraid/test 198M 3.44T > 100M legacy > > > > > > > > - -- ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Kevin Korb Phone: (407) 252-6853 Systems Administrator Internet: FutureQuest, Inc. ke...@futurequest.net (work) Orlando, Florida k...@sanitarium.net (personal) Web page: http://www.sanitarium.net/ PGP public key available on web site. ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlMZCkwACgkQVKC1jlbQAQf95gCfTXjwsQ4DxFJ/1JS4Ndp/DQIe 8RAAnRxqfeDqUM/39T/TLrw8zsWQj3u6 =UeC+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Please use reply-all for most replies to avoid omitting the mailing list. 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