Shraddha, Robert and all,
Regarding Robert's question:
I wonder if multi-hop IP BFD session with addresses used as /32 (or /128) 
prefixes serving as Nose SIDs of R8 and R7 respectively could be used as such a 
trigger by R7? Such a session would not respond to link failures, and I find it 
problematic to imagine a scenario when it would be kept UP in the case of a 
real node failure.

Of course such a session would have to be slow enough not to react to link 
failures. But it still couks be much faster than IGP conversion IMHO.

My 2c,
Sasha

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From: spring <[email protected]> on behalf of Robert Raszuk 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019, 11:22
To: Shraddha Hegde
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [spring] Draft for Node protection of intermediate nodes in SR 
Paths

Hi Shraddha,

I have one question to the document.

As you know the critical element for the effective protection of any scheme is 
the failure detection. On that your draft seems to have just one little 
paragraph:


   Note that R7 activates the node-protecting backup path when it
   detects that the link to R8 has failed.  R7 does not know that node
   R8 has actually failed.  However, the node-protecting backup path is
   computed assuming that the failure of the link to R8 implies that R8
   has failed.

Well IMO this is not enough. Specifically there can be a lot of types of node 
failure when link is still up. Moreover there can be even running BFD across 
the link just fine when say fabric failure occurs at R8.

While this is not solely issue with this draft, it is our common IETF failure 
to provide correct means of detecting end to end path or fragments of path 
failures (I am specifically not calling them segment here :).

For example I propose that to effectively detect R8 failure as node failure 
which is the topic of your proposal a mechanism is clearly defined and includes 
bi-dir data plane probes send between R7-R9, R3-R7, R4-R7, R4-R9, R3-R9

Many thx,
Robert.


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 4:38 AM Shraddha Hegde 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:
WG,

This is the draft I pointed out that talks about solutions for providing 
node-protection.
It covers Anycast case as well as keeping forwarding plane longer.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths-05<https://clicktime.symantec.com/375SW6TBGPi2mN7V9YeVWGg6H2?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-hegde-spring-node-protection-for-sr-te-paths-05>

Review and comments solicited.

Rgds
Shraddha

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