Hi Tom, et al, 
I have clarified the usage of policy chain and added the normative language in 
the YANG description constraints - which I believe is the right approach. 
Thanks,
Acee

On 9/16/20, 12:33 PM, "tom petch" <[email protected]> wrote:

    From: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>
    Sent: 16 September 2020 16:53
    To: tom petch; Acee Lindem (acee); Chris Bowers; RTGWG
    Cc: rtgwg-chairs
    Subject: Re: WG last call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model

    Hi Tom,

    On 9/16/20, 6:01 AM, "tom petch" <[email protected]> wrote:

        From: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>
        Sent: 15 September 2020 21:37

        Hi Tom, Chris, et al,
        I've moved the non-normative sections to appendixes in the -22 version. 
Also, at the risk of being redundant, I included an explicit reference for the 
unpopular BGP sub-module prefixes.

        <tp>
        Looks good.

        Every time I read this, I see something:-(  So some trivia for as and 
when a new version is needed:

        container prefixes has 'is is'
    <acee>
    Fixed in -22.
    </acee>

        container conditions /returns control the/returns control to the/
    <acee>
    Fixed in -22
    </acee>

        and
        should or SHOULD? (an AD is bound to ask if we meant this:-)

    <acee>
    I think it should... Started a thread on this amongst YANG doctors. There 
is no consistency in published models on "description" statement validation. 
However, in times we've discussed this on the NETMOD list, these descriptions 
are normative.
    </acee>

        'chain' is probably worth expanding on.  It appears in 4.4 and is 
relied on in s.5 without ever a formal definition and it might not be obvious 
how it is represented in the YANG model. I infer that it is the leaf-list 
import-policy or export-policy but chain does not appear in the descriptions 
thereof.  So I think a sentence in 4.4 saying what a chain looks like as YANG 
would help as would a mention of chain alongside list in the description of 
export-policy and import-policy.  If my inference is wrong, then please tell me 
what a chain is!

    <acee>
    Good catch. I think the problem here is that "policy chain" is used for 
both the list of import or export policies and the list of statement within a 
called policy. This is clearly wrong and policy chain should only be used for 
the former.  Let me assure my co-authors agree.

    <tp2>
    Well yes, I think I coped with that one but it is more that I cannot 
program a chain in YANG the way I can in other languages, forward pointers, 
backward pointers and so on,  and an ordered by user leaf-list is not an 
immediately obvious substitute to so I would add in s.4/s.5
    'A policy chain is represented in YANG by a user-ordered leaf-list such as 
...'
    and then in the YANG
    'This leaf-list implements a policy  chain as described in ...'

    Tom Petch
    Thanks,
    Acee
    </acee>

    Thanks,
    Acee

        Tom Petch

        Thanks
        Acee

        On 9/10/20, 6:10 PM, "rtgwg on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" 
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

            Hi Tom,

            As previously noted, the BGP model augments the routing-policy 
model and not the other way around. Hence, resolution of BGP model issues is 
not a prerequisite for publication of this YANG model. AFAIK, none of the open 
issues with the BGP model are related to its augmentation of the routing-policy 
model.


            Now, I'd like to see the BGP model issues addressed and the model 
progress as much as you but there is absolutely nothing unusual regarding its 
treatment.

            Thanks,
            Acee

            On 9/10/20, 11:44 AM, "rtgwg on behalf of tom petch" 
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

                From: rtgwg <[email protected]> on behalf of Chris Bowers 
<[email protected]>
                Sent: 09 September 2020 21:07

                RTGWG,

                I think there is rough WG consensus to submit 
draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model to the IESG for publication.  I will include a 
description of the discussion related to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model in the 
shepherd writeup.  It will likely take the IESG several months to publish 
draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model.  If there are changes in 
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model that make it desirable to change the text of the 
example in draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model before publication, then any changes 
in draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model will be discussed within RTGWG.

                <tp>
                Chris
                The other thought that I had was that the treatment of 
bgp-model, which I would regard as unusual, might attract some interesting 
comment from such as Genart or Opsdir reviews so it might be valuable to get 
those done earlier rather than later.

                Tom Petch

                Thanks,
                Chris


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